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BroD Sat Mar 13, 2004 08:57pm

Player has ball in front court and passes the ball to a teammate who jumps from backcourt to front court and catches the ball in the air before touching front court. Is this a backcourt violation?

JugglingReferee Sat Mar 13, 2004 09:05pm

Yup.
 
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Originally posted by BroD
Player has ball in front court and passes the ball to a teammate who jumps from backcourt to front court and catches the ball in the air before touching front court. Is this a backcourt violation?
There's an old adage that says "you are where you were."

In this case, since the teammate jumped from his back court, but was in the air when he caught the ball, has not yet gainied front court status. So we have a front court player passing the ball to a back court player.

Violation.

rainmaker Sat Mar 13, 2004 09:08pm

Re: Yup.
 
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Originally posted by JugglingReferee

There's an old adage that says "you are where you were...."

Don't leave out the rest ".... til you get where you're going."

BroD Sat Mar 13, 2004 09:12pm

Backcourt Violation
 
Thank you for the reply. Is there a site I can go to that states this rule. Another words, how can I show proof of this fact to a coach. Thanks again for the reply.

rainmaker Sat Mar 13, 2004 09:29pm

Use 4-35-3 in conjunction with 9-9. If he feels confused by all the verbiage, sum it up with these four items of backcourt violation:

1. Team control by Team A
2. Ball has achieved frontcourt status.
3. Player from team A is last to touch ball as it leaves the frontcourt
4. Player from team A is first to touch ball as it gains backcourt.

Team control, front court, last to touch, first to touch.

JugglingReferee Sat Mar 13, 2004 10:16pm

Re: Re: Yup.
 
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Originally posted by JugglingReferee

There's an old adage that says "you are where you were...."

Don't leave out the rest ".... til you get where you're going."

I like it, but by definition I think it may be redundant.

Once you are where you were going, you are no longer where you were.

BktBallRef Sat Mar 13, 2004 10:19pm

Re: Backcourt Violation
 
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Originally posted by BroD
Thank you for the reply. Is there a site I can go to that states this rule. Another words, how can I show proof of this fact to a coach. Thanks again for the reply.
4-35-1
The location of a player or nonplayer is determined by where the player is touching the floor as far as being:

a. Inbounds or out of bounds.
b. In the frontcourt or backcourt.
c. Outside (behind/beyond) or inside the three-point field-goal line.

4-35-3
The location of an airborne player with reference to the three factors of Article 1 is the same as at the time such player was last in contact with the floor or an extension of the floor, such as a bleacher.

One-Whistle Sat Mar 13, 2004 11:17pm

BroD
 
You can order your set of rule books anytime at Nfhs.org.

You will NOT find the rules posted on the internet because income raised by the sales of the rulebooks is a major portion of support for the NFHS.

Mark Dexter Sun Mar 14, 2004 06:04pm

NAILED this one this weekend. A1 is bringing the ball upcourt, ball gets tapped around a lot, B1 ends up with the ball, has control, then fumbles and loses it, off of B2, when B3 comes sliding in from the backcourt. Ball is on the floor in B's frontcourt, B3 taps the ball, but his toes are still dragging in the backcourt - whistle, point to the foot, going the other way.

Then called a dumb T to end my tourney hopes . . . :( But at least I got the call right! :)

BktBallRef Sun Mar 14, 2004 06:45pm

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Originally posted by Mark Dexter
Then called a dumb T to end my tourney hopes . . . :(
What happened?

Nevadaref Sun Mar 14, 2004 08:06pm

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by Mark Dexter
Then called a dumb T to end my tourney hopes . . . :(
What happened?

Hmmmm, let\'s see....
He noticed some water on the floor following a TO. Or maybe, he put the ball down on the floor and started a five count.

BktBallRef Sun Mar 14, 2004 08:17pm

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Originally posted by Nevadaref
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by Mark Dexter
Then called a dumb T to end my tourney hopes . . . :(
What happened?

Or maybe, he put the ball down on the floor and started a five count.

Since when does that result in a T?

Nevadaref Sun Mar 14, 2004 08:22pm

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by Nevadaref
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by Mark Dexter
Then called a dumb T to end my tourney hopes . . . :(
What happened?

Or maybe, he put the ball down on the floor and started a five count.

Since when does that result in a T?

After the coach tells you what he thinks of your game management skills.

Mark Dexter Mon Mar 15, 2004 09:30am

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by Mark Dexter
Then called a dumb T to end my tourney hopes . . . :(
What happened?

This regional had a rule of 3T\'s in a game, and the team forfeits the game. 5T\'s total, and they\'re out of the whole tourney.

I was working a quarterfinal game, and had called a T only 2:30 in, when the captain of black said "Are you f***ing kidding me?" after a no-call. Near the end of the second half, I had the backcourt, and the guy who had slid took the ball and slammed it down - bouncing up about 8-10 feet in the air. I called the T, and at halftime got a reminder of the 3T rule from a not-so-happy tournament director.

In talking with my supervisor later that night over dinner, he pointed out that the guy was probably more upset at himself than at me, and that I could have gotten away with a warning, and also told me that I didn\'t make too many friends on the evaluating committee with that call. After that incident, I didn\'t work a single game on Sunday. I don\'t think I was a lock to work the semi\'s, but I think this completely eliminated my chances and put me back on scorebook.

Best part, though - the team on which I called the T\'s was staying in the same hotel as the refs . . . on the same floor.

DJ Mon Mar 15, 2004 09:54am

What?
 
They have anger management T\'s and they blame your T on them for being tossed from the tournament? What the heck is going on here? Seems like it is their problem not yours! I can see why they have problems if that is the kind of support you get from your supervisors. Sound like the people who are in control have lost control and not you. What about all the other T\'s they got? Were they not the offending teams fault? One call did not cost them the ejection! Your supervisor said the anger was not directed at you? What a cop out? How does he know? Sounds like inept supervision! It is always easier to blame the officials and to have supervisors like that can only compound the problems and quite frankly it is apparent that the tournament has some real issues to deal with.


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