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Old Fri Dec 15, 2000, 04:18pm
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What is the mechanic for illegal screens? I have been using the pushing mechanic. Is this correct?
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Old Fri Dec 15, 2000, 04:36pm
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I believe the correct signal for an illegal screen is the same signal you would give for a blocking foul. I usually point in the other direction, yell that way, then put both hands on my hips to indicate an illegal block. At the bench, colour, number, and again hands on the hips (unless of course you have an obvious push where the screener pushes with both hands or something like that). Depending on how badly the screen has been set, and I have seen some really bad ones, I may give an extra signal (chop to the head, chicken wing, trip, etc.) to make sure the coaches know what was done wrong. However, technically speaking I believe it is just simply both hands on the hips.

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Old Fri Dec 15, 2000, 04:46pm
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What is the mechanic for illegal screens? I have been using the pushing mechanic. Is this correct?
Eddie

Ref,
It depends on which type of contact occured.
Lower Body - Block
Upper Body - Push... or Hold.

I suppose there could be more. But mostly, I think, they are blocks.

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Old Fri Dec 15, 2000, 07:12pm
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How about a moving screen? This happens alot, especially with kids.
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Old Fri Dec 15, 2000, 07:38pm
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How about a moving screen? This happens alot, especially with kids.
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Yeah, it sure does, Ref.
But aren't most illegal screens moving, at least a little?
If a young kid has his arms out to his sides and hinders an opponent, that would be holding probably.
Stepping to one side, or the other, and using a knee would probably be a block (lower body).
Getting next to an opponent with the arms crossed in front of the body and moving toward the opponent would probably be a push.
But, most important of all is that there has to be contact. If a screener does any of, or all of, the things listed above and the opponent avoids the placement of hands, arms, legs, or any other parts of the screener, and goes around this "extended screener" without contact, then there is no violation. Eventhough, the screener was illegal and/or moving, if the defenders avoid contact because they are afraid of hitting the screener, there is no foul.
That is not "Our" problem; that is where good coaching could come into play.
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Old Fri Dec 15, 2000, 11:09pm
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How about a moving screen? This happens alot, especially with kids.
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I wouldn't use the term "moving screen" when defining an illegal screen. There are moving screens that are legal. Better to use the term "illegal screen." There are those who don't like the term illegal screen either.

Not all illegal screens are created by movement. If a screener doesn't give a defender the one step when screening from behind, you could have an illegal screen without having movement by the screener.
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Re: How About Moving Screen

Ever heard of the pick and roll. Well if moving screens where illegal, there would be no such thing as the pick and roll. The whole thing for the most part is a moving screen. Moving screens are never illegal. But certain kinds of contact are.

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Ever heard of the pick and roll. Well if moving screens where illegal, there would be no such thing as the pick and roll. The whole thing for the most part is a moving screen. Moving screens are never illegal. But certain kinds of contact are.

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How about a moving screen? This happens alot, especially with kids.
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Aren't picks put on stationary defenders that have been set up by the player with the ball?
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Old Sat Dec 16, 2000, 01:02pm
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Re: Re: Re: How About Moving Screen

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Ever heard of the pick and roll. Well if moving screens where illegal, there would be no such thing as the pick and roll. The whole thing for the most part is a moving screen. Moving screens are never illegal. But certain kinds of contact are.

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How about a moving screen? This happens alot, especially with kids.
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Rut,
Aren't picks put on stationary defenders that have been set up by the player with the ball?
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The defender doesn't have to be stationary. But if a pick and roll results in the screener continuing to screen when he rolls, he's fouled.
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Ever heard of the pick and roll. Well if moving screens where illegal, there would be no such thing as the pick and roll. The whole thing for the most part is a moving screen. Moving screens are never illegal. But certain kinds of contact are.

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How about a moving screen? This happens alot, especially with kids.
Eddie
Rut,
Aren't picks put on stationary defenders that have been set up by the player with the ball?
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The defender doesn't have to be stationary. But if a pick and roll results in the screener continuing to screen when he rolls, he's fouled.
I think I follow what you are saying, I call those screen and rolls. Picks, I envision are up tight to the defender. Semantics I suppose, but once the screener/picker
has rolled to position, that is, nearer the hoop, I find it difficult to call a foul on the screener/picker.
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Old Sat Dec 16, 2000, 05:09pm
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I think I follow what you are saying, I call those screen and rolls. Picks, I envision are up tight to the defender. Semantics I suppose, but once the screener/picker
has rolled to position, that is, nearer the hoop, I find it difficult to call a foul on the screener/picker.
Even if there is initial legal contact, the screener cannot roll to the basket, maintain contact, and contiune to impede the defender's path. I had a similiar play on a throw-in Thursday night.

Unfortunately, the pick and roll appears to be a lost art form in HS basketball. Coaches could learn a lot from watching some Stockton to Malone highlights.
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Ever heard of the pick and roll. Well if moving screens where illegal, there would be no such thing as the pick and roll. The whole thing for the most part is a moving screen. Moving screens are never illegal. But certain kinds of contact are.

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How about a moving screen? This happens alot, especially with kids.
Eddie
Hey Rut

Moving screens are never illegal? I can only visualize
1 "moving screen" that is legal with contact. Maybe you
meant to say something else?
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Old Tue Dec 19, 2000, 12:48pm
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Ever heard of the pick and roll. Well if moving screens where illegal, there would be no such thing as the pick and roll. The whole thing for the most part is a moving screen. Moving screens are never illegal. But certain kinds of contact are.

Hey Rut

Moving screens are never illegal? I can only visualize
1 "moving screen" that is legal with contact. Maybe you
meant to say something else?
Dan,
Please give me a reference about moving screens being illegal. Is it on the same page as over the back and reaching in ?
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Old Tue Dec 19, 2000, 01:16pm
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Ever heard of the pick and roll. Well if moving screens where illegal, there would be no such thing as the pick and roll. The whole thing for the most part is a moving screen. Moving screens are never illegal. But certain kinds of contact are.

Hey Rut

Moving screens are never illegal? I can only visualize
1 "moving screen" that is legal with contact. Maybe you
meant to say something else?
Dan,
Please give me a reference about moving screens being illegal. Is it on the same page as over the back and reaching in ?
mick
Since my rule book was in *THE BOX* (!!!!!) I won't be
giving any references for a while. But I get your point, thanks.
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Dan,
Please give me a reference about moving screens being illegal. Is it on the same page as over the back and reaching in ?
mick
Since my rule book was in *THE BOX* (!!!!!) I won't be
giving any references for a while. But I get your point, thanks. [/B]

Good one!

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