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Grant Fri Mar 05, 2004 12:28pm

Last night I had the game from hell. It is a playoff game and one team goes home. I have done the girls game before and the table is terrible. I tell the boys coach that his table is terrible and that I don't want to hear a lot complaints about shot clock fouls game clock and other table related problems. At one point in the second half we have a player that has supposedly fouled out on the other team. I go to the bench and the table has 5 fouls but one is scratched out because the other coach told the table to do it and they did. We don’t know whether they recorded the T because they just put slashes for fouls. To make a long story short the distractions keep going with 3 or 4 stoppages in play to sort things out. On the 10th foul I award 2 shots I have been following the foul most of the way and they have been going up right I think. The player misses the first one and makes the second. The other team gets the ball and goes down and scores. The ball comes back and is checked out of bounds and the table then says that there is another mistake and it was only the ninth foul what do we do now.

rockyroad Fri Mar 05, 2004 12:55pm

Tell them thanks for the info, and go put the ball back in play...it's too late to correct the error...finish the game, get out of there and let your assignor/board know about the table crew so it can be discussed with the AD...

RecRef Fri Mar 05, 2004 01:40pm

Oh boy, what a mess. Ever thought about removing the table crew and getting new people?

N_Stripes Fri Mar 05, 2004 01:58pm

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Originally posted by Grant
what do we do now.
Find Mickey, Minnie and the rest of the gang. You already know where Goofy and Dumbo are.

Grant Fri Mar 05, 2004 02:17pm

I wanted help not jokes. is it corectable let say the bal hadnt become dead yet

fref Fri Mar 05, 2004 02:23pm

Rockyroad wasn't joking. That is exactly what you do.

Grant Fri Mar 05, 2004 02:32pm

again if we hadnt got to the second dead ball then what. Do we count the basket how do we start play again

Jurassic Referee Fri Mar 05, 2004 03:17pm

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Originally posted by Grant
again if we hadnt got to the second dead ball then what. Do we count the basket how do we start play again
What second dead ball? :confused: That's got nothing to do with how a correctable error is handled.

I think that you need to review the procedure. Pull out your rule book and read rule 2-10-2. You can't correct it after the <b>first</b> dead ball after the clock has properly started. That means that you could have corrected this play up to the ball become available to the team throwing it in after the first basket was made. That was the first dead ball. When that dead ball period is over, fuggedaboutit. You can't change anything.

Adam Fri Mar 05, 2004 04:41pm

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Originally posted by Grant
[B]To make a long story short the distractions keep going with 3 or 4 stoppages in play to sort things out. On the 10th foul I award 2 shots I have been following the foul most of the way and they have been going up right I think. The player misses the first one and makes the second. The other team gets the ball and goes down and scores. [B]
You need to catch it at this point, before the ball is available for the throwin. Let's say A1 shot the free throws. B1 makes the basket, and A2 is going do the throw in following B1's basket.
The error must be caught before the ball is at A2's disposal. If it's caught there, you take away one point from A (for the erroneous free throw) and give A the ball for an endline throw in under B's basket (the point of interruption.)

Adam

canuckrefguy Fri Mar 05, 2004 05:18pm

Grant...

Jurassic's bang-on. You have until the first dead ball, then it's a moot point.

In your case, as JR said, forget about it. And do what you can to make sure that the next time that table crew sees a basketball game, their asses are in the stands, not at the score table.

BTW, lighten up a bit. These guys joke a lot, but they are an absolute bottomless well of information.

BktBallRef Fri Mar 05, 2004 11:09pm

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Originally posted by Grant
I wanted help not jokes. is it corectable let say the bal hadnt become dead yet
Chill out, dude.

Quite honestly, if you can't read the rule book and know the answer to that quesion, you probably shouldn't have been on the floor for a playoff game. :(

Nevadaref Sat Mar 06, 2004 04:12am

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Originally posted by BktBallRef

Quite honestly, if you can't read the rule book and know the answer to that quesion, you probably shouldn't have been on the floor for a playoff game. :(

Ding, ding, ding!!!! We have a winner!

Woodee Sat Mar 06, 2004 08:55pm

OOOOOOOOOHHH!!!!!
 
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Originally posted by Nevadaref
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Originally posted by BktBallRef

Quite honestly, if you can't read the rule book and know the answer to that quesion, you probably shouldn't have been on the floor for a playoff game. :(

Ding, ding, ding!!!! We have a winner!


When I read this I said OOOOOHHHHH!!

Whenever I would ask my mentor a question, his reply would always be "what does the book say"! What I learned from that was, KNOW THE RULES!! You can't go wrong!



Forksref Sun Mar 07, 2004 03:18pm

When all else fails........

tomegun Mon Mar 08, 2004 02:39pm

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