Last night I worked a HS game. On the way home my partner told me he assessed a T in another HS game. Play as follows; A1 does an awesome dunk, then he immediately runs down the sideline waving his arms up and down to the crowd in excitement. Beep T. (unsporting) I told him if he had done it to the opponents then you could call it taunting. To the crow, I didn't think so. What do you think?

Eat some crow, kid!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bart Tyson

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[i] Play as follows; A1 does an awesome dunk, then he immediately runs down the sideline waving his arms up and down to the crowd in excitement. Beep T. (unsporting) I told him if he had done it to the opponents then you could call it taunting. To the crowd, I didn't think so. What do you think?

I agree with you, Bart. That's not unsporting behavior. Therefore no justification for an unsporting T. Certainly not the purpose and intent of the "taunting" rule, imo.

Was it not a point of emphasis last year to include self promoting or playing to the crowd as taunting.Doing the raise the roof does both and by NF guidelines a T could be called.

It was this year's rulebook. Here's the POE:

I guess the question here is whether waving the arms or raising the roof are "extreme behaviors". Tough call.

BTW, the underlining is mine. It's not emphasized in the rulebook.

If that's your interpretation, then I guess that you could call a T. I don't agree with your interpretation.

Agree with Blindzebra, it is in the POE this year as chuck points out. The suggestion is to make it part of pregame with coaches and captains. I might hit my whistle before the inbound and let that player know immediately that the behavior is inappropriate and can be considered taunting. But for the record, this is more likely to happen earlier in a game than later.

I don't think I'd T him. Might let the coach know on a dead ball if it is later in the game what I think of that behavior and how I might interpret such self promoting.

(However, I was not at your friends game. Can't say that he was wrong considering this is a story twice removed.)

Would it make a difference?
 

JR,
Could the action be adjudged by perceived intent?
Could it be incitement, while performing such an act while looking at opponent's bench/fans as opposed to looking at floor, own fans/bench?

mick

JR,
Could the action be adjudged by perceived intent?
Could it be incitement, while performing such an act while looking at opponent's bench/fans as opposed to looking at floor, own fans/bench?

[/B][/QUOTE]Mick, I think that it's strictly a judgement call by the official, and that each situation you run into is probably different,and should be judged in the context in which it occured in that particular game.I agree that,if you think that the player is focusing his actions to the other team's bench or fans, a T is probably appropriate. I didn't think that that was the case in the play that Bart described, though. That one seemed to me just a case of an excitable ballplayer trying to get his own fans going. Jmo, but I want to be 100% sure when I call a T that that T was warranted. Any doubt in my mind, I try to keep away from them. Might whisper to the player to chill a l'il bit, though, if I think that he's coming close.

This is the way it was described to me. I didn't ask if the player was at Home or visitors. I don't think this would make a difference, what do you think?

I did not interpret,I was not there,thus the COULD BE CALLED.If you have a spotaneous,non rehearsed gesture fine,
but something directed at the stands that only draws attention to the player IS taunting per NF.

As previously mentioned, this type of action listed under
1. A. Sporting Behavior of the 2003- 2004 NF points of emphasis. In fact, it specifically talks about
"playing to the crowd" Of course there is always going to be judgment invloved, but it is pretty clear that the rules committee wanted this type of action judged as taunting of the opponent.

If it's an excitable player that's just trying to get his own fans going, I can't see any basis, or need, for a T. Nothing unsporting at all there, imo.

Yes!
 

Oh wait...

Last night in my intramural game, I was trail and called a foul up between the foul line and the arc and called it on the floor. I stepped in yelling "on the ground" and waving my arms to call off the shot.

Player then procedes to start waving his arms mocking my selling of the call. Bam, T.

Might have been the same kid who chased me off the court . . . even though he won. :)

What if this excitable player jumps up on the scorer's table,grabs some pom poms from a cheerleader,or starts doing hand springs down the floor?

The dunk should get his fans going,everything else over a spontaneous reaction is showboating and IS unsporting based on the NF POE.

There's a fine line between officiating and "being officious".

If he's not clearly engaged in unsportsmanlike behaviour towards the other team or the officials, I can't see T'ing him in this situation.

Re: Yes!
 

:)
Right mind set!
Next time try: <LI>"On the floor!"
or <LI>"No shot!"

You have fun.
mick

Right call
 

It can escalate,first it is a "raise the roof",then it is a throat slash,and before you know it they are pulling out sharpies and cell phones.

What the NF is trying to enforce is sportmanship and safety.A kid that dunks then plays to the crowd is likely to get nailed the next time he goes to the basket.There is nothing over officious about promoting proper conduct and
preventing retaliation.

Wow, this is so subjective and any of these could be right. I can see myself handling this all these ways. It depends on game situation and quality of the coaches.

If I can go to a coach and ask for help on this, I probably will.
If I need to hit the whistle and explain to the player why this is wrong, I will.
If I interpret it as taunting based on score and game situation, I will T him.
If it looks like nothing, then I have nothing.

Point is, referee on the floor when it happens has to make this decision and live with it. No second guessing allowed here. You might do differently, but let's face it- any of these answers could be fitting.