It is laughable in my opinion to say that officials aren't accountable. An official's accountability is in his schedule. If an official does a bad job consistently, he simply won't get the top games, or if the level of officiating drops by an official, their schedule will not be as good as it was before. What type of accountability do you want? Do you want it published when an official get downgraded or criticized by an assignor? Imagine what that would do if the fans got hold of that information? Along the same lines, I want to know as an official what action a school takes against a coach when he acts inappropriately or gets a technical foul for unsportsmanlike behavior. If a coach cusses me out and I have to report it, shouldn't I find out what happened to the coach and how the school disciplined him? Bottom line, coaches and officials are both accountable, but not to each other and that's how it should stay.

Officials get 'disciplined' by not being hired for games and tournaments. Sometimes rightly so and sometimes not.

As for me, I am still looking for my "perfect" game. I never found it as a coach, either.

Apparently not obvious for some of the officials here. Look how worked up he is getting some of our fellow zebras.

Z

Not Fair
 

An official's accountability is in his schedule. If an official does a bad job consistently, he simply won't get the top games, or if the level of officiating drops by an official, their schedule will not be as good as it was before.

THat is not good enough their should be fines or suspensions. A bad ref should not be able to continue officiating just at a lower level that is not fair to those teams at that level.

Z Man,

The reason I get some of you worked up is cause I actually bring up issues that make you look at yourself and when you do your scared by what you see. Therefore you attack and become negative. There are a few keys to basketball and one is no one is ever going to treat the officials like you folks would want to be treated until people see that you have some accountability for your actions. You're not demi gods and are subject to make mistakes whether it be in terms of applying the rules or in terms of what you "think" you saw. I find it funny that you are so upset everytime someone questions the job you do. What other job in the country does not allow people to critique the job that they do fairly or unfairly? Have a great day Z Man.

Your Fav Troll Coach

Re: Not Fair
 

How exactly do you fine an independent contractor? How do you suspend an independent contractor based on something as shaky as "we think they blew a call"?

You can troll (not well), but when someone puts forth legitimate questions back at you, you don't seem to respond. Typical.

--Rich

The Original Point
 

The original point I was trying to make was not whether officials are accountable. It is the method in which they are accountable. I'm talking about just plain decency being modeled for our children. Most of us don't go into a profane tirade, especially in front of our children, if our waiter/waitress is botching everything. In our society, behavior that is socially inacceptable becomes acceptable--if it's addressed at an official.

Previously, BBallCoach, I accused you of not really being a coach. You've got too much time on your hands. Thank you for confirming it by claiming to be a state champion. Even Hitler knew people would believe a big lie before they will believe a small one. I give you credit for trying!

Everyone slow down so that BBallCoach can understand.

INDEPENDENT..............Contractor (a complex concept for him)


IF you don't like the contractor.........you don't hire him.
(kinda like your plumber)

DUH!!!

(If this keeps up, he's gonna give the stereotype of dumb coaches a bad name.)

Yawn. I said it before and I'll say it again. Why does anybody try to answer this idiot in a serious manner? Just stop. Ignore him. He's an idiot and he doesn't want to stop being an idiot.

I agree! Let's change the subject then....what if we could somehow, magically, take a peek at Boss George's most recent diary entries....

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/22/opinion/22KENN.html

February 22, 2004
OP-ED CONTRIBUTOR
The Steinbrenner Diaries
By JOHN KENNEY

We understand that John Henry must be embarrassed, frustrated and disappointed by his failure in this transaction. Unlike the Yankees, he chose not to go the extra distance for his fans in Boston."

— George Steinbrenner on the Yankees' acquisition of Alex Rodriguez, whom Henry, owner of the Red Sox, failed to obtain from the Texas Rangers.

FEB. 14 (LATE) I cannot seem to stop laughing. The more I think about Boston, the harder I laugh. I don't mean to be cruel, but I must say I enjoy the feeling tremendously. I'm laughing so hard I just spit up soup. Alex Rodriguez. How will the residents of Boston feel when they see the newspaper tomorrow morning? Is there nothing I can't have? I shall try to buy a space shuttle. Maybe give it to Jeter.

FEB. 15 There is something about Boston I find quaint. The Federalist architecture, the cobblestone streets, the constant losing. Also, there is that lovely little park across from the Ritz with the pedal-powered boats. The swan boats, I think they are called. I shall buy the swan boats. This I like. I will fill in that little moat and in its place put in a go-cart track. And all the go-carts will have swans with maniacal looks painted on their faces and fire coming out of their little beaks. Again with the laughing. "Make Way for Go-Carts." Stuff that in your Caldecott Medal.

MONDAY I do not like the name "A-Rod." It doesn't sound right. "Alexander" is so much more regal. Ask him, by which I mean demand of him, that he go by the full name. Also, Ruth didn't actually "build" the place. It's just an expression.

TUESDAY I want to buy more things in Boston. Just thinking about it makes me feel warm. Once I punched a sleeping badger in a zoo because I thought he disrespected me. I like the state house in Boston. There's a gold dome and it was designed by Bulfinch and I think I could move it to the spring training facility and put in a food court.

WEDNESDAY Look into buying the rights to the word "Boston."

THURSDAY I awoke this morning and jotted down this thought from a particularly vivid dream: contact Bucky Dent. Pay him to move to Boston. Finance his candidacy for mayor. (Do they even have a mayor, or are they too small? City? Town? Which is it?)

FRIDAY Why do the Red Sox whine so? John Henry says baseball doesn't have an answer for the Yankees. Not true. It's called the off-season. I'm having two special hats handmade in Cuba. Stitched on the front are dollar signs. I'm sending them to John Henry and his little boy general manager — here's your salary cap. Maybe I'll also send them a pair of Sergio Valente sunglasses from my collection.

SATURDAY Consider buying Boston's soul. Although, if I think about it, they already sold it to us with Babe Ruth. Again I'm laughing. I wonder if David Beckham would be interested in playing baseball?

John Kenney, a lifelong Red Sox fan, lives in Brooklyn.

Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company

I agree! I'd like to change back to the original subject, and ask refs to discuss the original question, while still ignoring the various troll posts. What CAN refs do, if anything, to reduce the scapegoating and completely destructive abuse of officials that goes on in all sports and in most situations?

uhhhhh.....what was the question again?

Oh. Massive pro-officiating publicity campaigns, serious legislation with harsh penalties for violence against officials at all levels. That oughta work.

Short of that, nothing much to do IMO.

Private schools???
 

Well, that just shows how uniformed and uneducated you really are. Not all officials are hired and work at public schools. Last night I worked at a Catholic School and I think it would be very hard to require a private institution does not answer to any government agency about where their money comes from and how it is used, is rather silly. So if I get fired from the Catholic League I worked last night, who are they going to report it to? And we are not employees and have no salary. We are paid from a contract to contract basis, and I would be lucky if I got more that $60 from one school in an entire year. My salary comes from my job and that does not have to be posted by anyone in the public. Please, you really cannot be in education can you? You are one of the dumbest individuals I have seen here.


That sound inconsistent with your theory. If you are as much an a$$ as you are here that you are in real life, then the officials would have screwed you in such a way, that would never have been possible. So I do not believe you have any trophy, at least not one you had apart of.

Peace

State Title
 

Please feel free to believe what you would like to believe about me. I know the job I have done and am proud of it. I try to give everyone here a different view to think about when it comes to basketball. Most of you take great offense to my posts and Im surprised by that, but that is your choice. I do appreciate all of you who take time to respond to my posts and I try to learn something from this board everyday. Now if you think Im going to leave this board prasing the tough job officials have your crazy but I try to learn:)

all due respect
 

I'm relatively new to reffing and this forum...I have had the pleasure of being on the floor with some really great refs, who also are great teachers of the game, I've met some coach's that knew more than I did who didn't rub it in my face...but met some that needed to look at why they were still doing it...I've asked some dumb questions but NEVER recieved an answer that wasn't given with respect...to give BSktball his due, I look for his answers because even a newbie can understand his reasoning. It kind of confuses me when refs start ripping on other refs when we have enough people ripping on us already...I look for a place of comaraderie and exchanging of ideas and experiences...maybe its naive of me but I am enjoing this reffing...looking to improve and maybe being able to call a game like my teachers are trying to show me...thanks enough said

Re: all due respect
 

Since you're a newbie, we'll cut you the slack! ;)

You've got to take everything bballcoach says in greater context. Lately I've noticed he's on a fake-polite kick, talking about how much he appreciates our feedback. It's interesting, because about a week ago he was absolutely ripping everything any of us said. There are a few coaches on this forum you can listen to and learn from (Hawkscoach, for one). But Bballcoach is a 12-year-old who has fun inciting referees because he's no good at basketball. This is the only forum he's found where he has any power or control, and we give it to him.

Personally, I get a kick out of him. I'm sure Jung and Freud would too. Not enough attention at home and such.