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Hey, I'm pretty new to the officiating world. I just started a few weeks ago and have refereed a few middle school games. I have a few questions.
Recently I made a call where a player jumped up for a shot but then came back down with the ball when a player blocked the shot. What is the ruling about this? Also, if a player is shooting two free throws and does not hit rim on the first of two, does he still get to shoot the next shot? Is any type of penalty assessed? Sorry if these are easy or stupid... please help. |
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1) If you feel the block prevented the release, jump ball. If you think the kid just changed his mind, travel. 2) He still gets the next shot. No penalty except the embarrassment!
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Welcome to the wonderful world of officiating. To answer your questions:
1) Jump ball. Travel is only called if the ball was never touched by the other player. I almost always give the benifit of the doubt that the player was trying to shoot and was prevented. 2) This is a violation. But since it is the first of two, that means the first free throw ended with a violation and we are ready for the second. We do it again then we give it to the other team. Are you confused. Good. The simple answer is to ignore it and go to the second free throw.
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I had that case book play two nights ago. The 6'3" kid that came back down with the ball was a varsity sophomore, or freshman. The look on his face, after my whistle blew, told me he just saw a light go on. The good young ones will learn. mick |
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Tim,
You really need to check out the casebook on this call. I have had that play twice this year. The first time, I blew my whistle, hesitated a split second to hash over in my brain what had just happened and called a travel. The funny thing is that the public address announcer goes "TRAVEL?". It sounded like Jim Mora when he said, "Playoffs?" Game management told me they went to the announcer and said, "I don't know if he can T you up, but I can remove you." I asked the announcer at half time and he just said he hasn't ever seen that call. I said, "you probably have never read a rule book, either." It is a strange play usually the ball is hit from the side rather than on top of the ball. If the player doesn't lose control of the ball, it is a travel. |
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How far back can we remember?
Many years ago, it was always a travel. A jump ball was only called if there was joint possession for 1 second or more. Can anybody rembember when this changed?
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Re: How far back can we remember?
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Of course, I've been wrong before too. |
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Re: Uh, Butch ?
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Back on point, a little, does anybody know when the block of a shot release became an automatic jump (held) ball instead of a travel?
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I still can't follow on what you are arguing or where I am wrong. If the player by blocking the shot prevents the releasing of a ball it is a held ball. I've read both cases mentioned above and that is exactly what I have been calling.
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Picture this
A1 drives the lane. B1 is in LGP with hands straight up. A1 jumps, pump fakes, and the ball makes contact with the arm or hand of B1, who keeps his arms straight out because he has 4 fouls. A1 realizes his shot doesn't have a chance, panics, and pulls the ball back. Upon landing, there is no way you could call that a jump ball. It's a travel.
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