27th annual invitational tournament this weekend. My team comes in as the number one team in the West division to play the number one team in the East who is also the host school. We jump out to a 14-0 run and then it seemed to me that the whistle started going against us and before you knew it the home team was right back in the game. With about one minute to go in the first half my pg appeared to me to be bumped and knocked to the ground. Whistle call is a travel, I must admit I had enough at this point and began to give the official an ear full, he was taking it until I said those magic words..." I realize the other team is paying your salary but you have to call the game the same for both sides." Tweet went Mr. Zebra and then he began to curse at me that they were from the neighboring state and didn't care who won or lost the game and that if I said one more word I was out of the game. Any way home team makes both foul shots we go into half time tied up at 26. Half time stats my team 12 fouls, home team 3 fouls. Second half it's amazing how the whistles went my way. Any call that was questionable went in my favor. We end up winning by 7 and the foul stats for that half my team 4 home team 16. Now I know most officials will say that they do not make make up calls, but I don't know how else you explain the foul difference from me getting no calls to me expressing myself to the official getting the T and then I got every single call in the second half. I look forward to hearing your feedback. This post is not meant to bash the officials of my game just looking to see if any other officials have done this or could explain the huge turn around in calls.

PS: Both teams played hard the whole game so it is not like one team stopped taking the ball to the basket in either half.

Thanks

Yah right, your game is up. Most of us already know your game. And I still don't believe you are a coach.

Bart I mean this to be a serious question about a situation that happened this weeken
 

Bart,

Sorry if you did not take my question as serious, but this happened to me yesterday I was just looking for officials feedback as they have ever done this or just any thoughts they had. Sorry if you dont believe me, but I thought I wrote it in a way that it would not be insulting to officials. Sorry if it offended you.

Ref18-Thanks for your response
 

The fouls called I can not change and that is how they finished up, I'm just looking for feedback as I have heard that if you make a good pt while you may get a T if you have put an idea in the officials head it might help you out. Im not looking for trouble just feedback

Maybe your kids figured out they weren't going to get away with murder when the officials called the fouls on them, and your T made them less agressive.

You questioned the officials integrity, that is not anywhere close to making a good point.

Re: Ref18-Thanks for your response
 

Here are a few suggestions: Stop looking for how to get an "edge" with the officials. Think more about why your players are fouling or traveling and how to help them play better and less about whether the officials are making correct calls.

In short, do your job and coach your players. Let the officials do their job and call the fouls and violations.

Ref 18
 

What I meant to be my good point was that they were calling the game one sided and not fair for both teams. I feel in the second half they must have felt the same way because the calls went my way. Early on in the first half one of my girls bumped a girl going up for a lay up and she went crashing hard to the ground and a fan began to yell at the officials and had to be removed from the game so it was a very heated and tightly contested game. Just trying to get some feedback on this situation thanks for taking the time to read my post Ref18

If a coach ever says that to me, i'm not changing the way i call the game. I call a game consistantly from start to finish.
I have never seen or heard of the refs favouring one team over the other because a coach questioned their integrity, i could care less how good of a point your making. If i was doing the game, every time after that T i heard you say anything, i'd see your lips moving, but all i'm hearing is 3 in the key (I got that one from someone on this board, but i forget who).

And your still questioning the officials integrity with the contents of this post. Give it up, let the officials worry about officiating, and you worry about coaching.

Ref18
 

Thanks for your feedback, but how do you explain the change in the fouls for the second half??

I don't know, my guess would be that your team was less agressive, and fouling less. I've seen it happen countless times where a team has monopolized the foul count in the first half, and commit 1 or 2 fouls in the second.

I believe that was mine, Ref18, but I'm not positive enough to get a copy right.

I think it was you too. Its a great little saying, and there's truth to it. Its happened to me many times.

Well, none of us saw the game so there is NO WAY we can answer your question.

So, I'll ask a few of my own:

Did you change defenses?
Did you change offense?
Did you stop pressing or start pressing?
Did the other team change defese?
Did your players get a clue and stop hacking the heck out of the other team?

I can go on forever, you really need to ask yourself questions and analyze the game, not the refs.

Coach, I'll answer your question as to why I think the foul discrepancy happened. Chances are that after your T, you shut your trap and coached rather than offiated. Chances are your kids were listening to you coach rather than listening to you whine.
I can tell you without a doubt that I've never made any calls based on which team was paying my check, and any overt statement that challenged me on that would earn at least a T. It also wouldn't get you any calls in the 2nd half that you otherwise wouldn't have received.
Perhaps your pg traveled before the bump (I had one of those the other day), or whatever.
All I can say for sure is that you shouldn't give yourself too much credit for "working the refs." Frankly, with the comment you made, you're quite lucky you were allowed to finish the game.
Sometimes there's nothing like a T to whack some sense into a coach and get him to stop officiating and start coaching.

Well said, this is why i believe that a T is a tool that must be used more often not just threatened. I've found that the majority of coaches after one, never do anything that would earn them a second, and it makes it much easier for the officials and the players when the coaches shut up.
That's why I use the technical foul more often then most officials.

Many , many times over the years it has been obvious to me that the second half of a game is MUCH different than the first half. I have often commented post-game how the two halves seemed like two separate games. I have experienced this flip-flop in foul totals from one half to the other.
The intensity (importance) of the game can make this occurance more likely.

I would go out on a limb and say the officials called the game as they saw it (how the kids played it). Your remark was insulting and deserved the T. The credit goes to them for focusing in a tough situation, not to you for your imagined influence. After the game the refs were probably pleased at how well the T calmed you and your team down! In case you aren't aware, it is NOT the officials' duty to "even up the fouls" in an effort to call a "fair" game, any more than it is their quest to "even up the score." That is not the purpose of having officials. It (mostly) is to enforce the rules so that no team gains an advantage by breaking them. Lopsided or not, the referees don't give a hoot (nice lady word, not in baseball season yet) who wins or loses.

Thanks for the feedback so far
 

Guys,

Thanks for all the feedback I have received so far. To answer a few questions the only change I made in our game plan once I got the T was I went to a man to man defense out of our 2-3 zone. Besides that we continued going to the basket hard and fighting for every loose ball and rebound. The other team played a man to man for the whole game and went after every loose ball and rebound very hard and after the T, the book shows that fouls went in my favor. Could it be that the officials had my statement in their head and believed that I was right?

Re: Thanks for the feedback so far
 

Could be.

Maybe they were thinking about who's playing 3rd base at 161st & River this year?

http://espn.go.com/i/mlb/clubhouses/.../nyy_photo.jpg

Re: Thanks for the feedback so far
 

There are two answers, the long and short answers.

The short answer: "No."

The long answer: "He!l no."

Re: Re: Thanks for the feedback so far
 

Now you've done it. This thread will be closed for sure now. :rolleyes:

Ref18 Why the language
 

Ref 18,

While I appreciate you taking time to read my post, I must ask you why the vulguar language? I'm just asking a simple question and do you appreciate you taking your time to read this post. Please just tone down the language if you would not mind, I do not believe I have ever cursed in any of my posts and if I have I apologize to the board. There is no need for such language as we are all supposed to be good role models for children. Thanks

Re: Re: Re: Thanks for the feedback so far
 

Hey bubby...gonna buy your daughter a Yankees cap?

Re: Ref18 Why the language
 

He's not usually this way, obviously he's excited about the recent baseball news. Most of us are!

Re: Re: Re: Re: Thanks for the feedback so far
 

Yeah, I might do that. And monkeys might fly outta my butt!!!

I just have one question. "Jorge Posada is going to be batting 8th?"

BballCoach, I would say first of all that you are very fortunate that you were allowed to see the second half. If you continue coaching, you will find that a word fittly spoken will got a lot further than a tirade and you will maintain the coaching box as well as the respect of the officials. Any official will usually welcome an intelligent, SHORT discussion or question on a particular point. Everyone makes mistakes but gently pointing them out works a lot better than beating them over the head with them. You'll be amazed how a correct interpretation will find it's way to the court.
As to your second half foul count, if I was the other team I would probably have come after you in the second half. When I do, fouls happen. A team often reflects their coach. If they play like you have written that you coach, they will not focus on the game either. Foul them, they miss the basket and time is not running. Consider yourself lucky to have won but congrats just the same.
Remember,
"Diplomacy is the art of letting someone have your way" -Daniele Vare

Those damn Yankees. The only baseball hat i wear has a B on the front of it. Coincidently, that's the same baseball hat my High School assignor wears ;)

Yeah, kinda sad...maybe he should try & get traded to the Red Sox where he would bat 5th or 4th.

Sigh...jealousy is so...so...unbecoming.

Re: Ref18 Why the language
 

Then I suggest that you not let your kids read this board, Coach. This is an adult board, and people who post things as provocative as this should expect some adult responses. And yes, challenging the integrity of your game officials qualifies as provocative. As provocative as you were to the officials in your game, you were more so here by justifying it as somehow being successful and making a point.

I have a great explaination.
 

How about that both teams or at least on team made adjustments. When you make adjustments, the game cannot and will not be called the same. I have been officiating for a bit of time and when teams make adjustments, you cannot just call the game to even up fouls. For example, if a team is settling for jump shots in the first half then they are attacking the basket in the second half, it is possible that the fouls will be different in the second half. Just that simple. Good coaches realize this. Because I always find it funny when coaches complain that they are getting hosed on fouls, when they are not being aggressive and just shooting all day from the outside. Fouls come from contact and it does not come from shooting 3 pointers. Maybe that was the reason. But I was not there, you were coach.

Peace

Only if the BoSox fans out there keep fulfilling their masochistic tendencies. Most of the rest of us have figured out what Dumbo the Coach is up to, and just ignore him.

I'm gonna get slammed for this
 

To honesty answer your question, yes a T can sometimes change things. I will not speak of integrity, but I have seen situations where officials have given a T to a complaining coach, realize he had a legitimate gripe, and cut him a little slack in the second half. But I am talking a little slack. I am not referring to the turnaround you were talking about. The turnaround can be traced more to the attitude of the offending (or offended coach more than a break every now and then.

The times I have seen this is mostly with newer officials, but I have seen it happen with veterans. It is usually the partner that notices an injustice.

I would bet that many of the people on this forum have seen this happen too. So rather than fill your replies with hipocrasy, answer the question. Has you ever seen this or not?

I also have seen many replies to this person that indicate that they do not like him or his attacks on officials. I welcome them all.

In dealing with the public like we do, we get all kinds. This forum has served me well to personally deal with some of the replies that are mostly self serving, often having nothing to do with the original question, and often right on target and have helped me become a better official. So embrace the question, deal with it, reply if you must, and learn from the personality of the person that set it up.

Re: I'm gonna get slammed for this
 

No I have not. I will never say it has not happen, but I do not work with many officials that give a damn what coaches think. At least in my area, the well known or powerful officials could care less of what coaches think. For one, many might be lucky that he sees a particular coach for a few years in many cases. Coaches come and go, they replace coaches every year. Officials stick around much longer. And most officials realize that to some extent.

No, we do not like this individual because he is always coming here and complaining and then questioning the responses. He has a right to post of course, but if you want the answer to a question, do not be surprised if those responses are not to your liking.

Many of us have embraced the question. But many of us have not seen officials purposely undermine a coach. Now we are human beings and we are capable of holding gruges, but that does not mean it affects the way we call the game. And those that do, do not stick around very long. But if this is not a varsity or above game, then you might get officials that are not capable to let the critisism roll off their backs. But usually in my experience the officials that have achieved the varsity level, are rather capable of making a call and moving on. But that is my experience, I am sure there are experiences outside of what I have been through.

Peace

In response to the coach's question, no one in this forum can answer you. None of us were there, so we can not tell you why your game was called the way it was called. You can ask the officials for that game, but not us. We don't know why the fouls were the way you say. I can not also say that your comment that brought the T was or was not justified. You got the T and the game went on. I think that this forum is used to interpret the rules that we are to follow. That is it. We can not comment on your game and how you were dealt with. We can't, we weren't there.

Coach, my biggest pet peeve regarding high school coaches is that they constantly bring up the foul disparity. Keep two things in mind:

1. There is no rule requiring foul calls to be equal.
2. If you have a specific question/comment about a specific play, then ask it. Otherwise don't comment on the foul count.

I have found that coaches at the college level rarely bring it up because they understand that the foul call differential is truly a result of a legitimate foul differential. May I suggest that your time in any game is much better spent coaching your kids than harassing an official regarding the foul differential. Best wishes.

I had a game a few weeks ago where the second half started with the home team committing the first eight fouls. I didn't even notice the foul count until we hit six, to be honest.

Of course, that was because the home coach started in on the "disparity." My only feeling about those situations is that you better be darned sure you don't MISS one against the visiting team unless you really want to have to throw a technical or two. But I try not to miss any at either end of the floor, so it's not like the game changes for me. I just remind myself to maintain focus and continue to do the job.

No I have never seen nor have I ever had a partner even up the count because of a coaches comments. I give very few T's but questioning my integrity is one of the few direct routes to get there. If you have more fouls than the other team, then your team has fouled more. Sweet and simple. If I have a coach who has not been ranting and raving, and makes a professional request or statement when I am trail near the bench, I will acknowledge and even make sure that I am positioned properly because I just might be missing something. BUT I do not call fouls because he has a T or calls for one!

I'm surprised that nobody has noted the subtext of what BBCoach is saying. His team got up 14-0. Obviously at that point he wasn't complaining about the officiating. I have yet to see a coach with such fast start whine to the refs. At some point, the opposing team went on a run and BBCoach, by his own admission, blamed the refs for it and did it vocally. The result: his lead evaporated and he was given a T. After the T, he presumably behaved himself and his team righted the ship and went on to win the game. BBCoach should be thanking the officials for the T which forced him to shift focus to coaching from the refs.

This exact storyline is typical for many games, particularly sub-varsity games where the players are more emotional and less in control. The coach has a tremendous amount of control over the reactions of parents and players. Most average teams will take any excuse for failure that you give them, and blaming the refs is tantamount to giving players excuses for failure. I've noticed that when the coach is BSing about our calls that I'm more likely to have a player whine about being fouled after a missed shot when it is evident that there was no contact than if the coach is not whining. Many players are looking for excuses for failure and coaches give them that excuse by accusing the refs of cheating, like you did BBCoach. The more a coach complains, often the worse his team plays. That's why "working the refs" usually backfires and it's also probably why your team gave up a huge lead. COACH AND TEACH THE PLAYERS. It is the job of every coach to teach his/her players to focus only on what they can control. No matter what you think, you can't control the refs.

By the way: The comment about, "Who's paying you" could land you a flagrant T with some officials I know.

The discussion here is about psychology. The theory here is that if the coach complains enough, whether he picks up the T or not, the officials will subconsciously give him some calls to pacify him and shut him up. Conversely, if after his antics the coach continues to see calls that he perceives as negative to his cause or even worse than before, the theory then is that the coaches actions annoyed the officials to the point that they subconsciously (or consciously) called against his team. Do these theories have merit? Perhaps they do sometimes. But no two officials and no two games (or portions of a game) are alike. So, coach, just when you think you have figured out the right angle it is always subject to blow up in your face. Try rubbing your lucky rabbits foot when things go bad. If this doesn't work you don't have to tell anybody and you don't risk being ejected.

The whole discussion about injustice is ridiculous in my mind. If an official makes a bad call, is it a bad call, or is it an injustice. An injustice requires a remedy, a "bad call" is part of the game. As officials, we cannot try to correct bad calls, or perceived injustices because doing so only results in more bad calls. Nothing worse, in my opinion than the phantom travel call right after the controversial call that went the other way. Officials who do this show no respect to the game, or their partner, especially if their partner made the first controversial call.

As for the psychological part of "working the refs" I've reviewed my game to see how a coach's comments about not getting the calls affected me, and I've concluded that they have no effect. I am too focused on a specific play to think about how the calls have gone to this point. A foul is a foul, a violation is a violation no matter who commits it. That's one reason why I can't understand guys who try to "make the 5th foul a good one" because doing so forces you to change standards midstream, something that I cannot do and still officiate effectively. If a coach is screaming at me about whatever, it goes in one ear and out the other, unless it gets personal or it otherwise meets the standards of a T.

I subscribe to that philosophy, but it has nothing to do with the coach getting on me at that moment. It has more to do with the fact that when they go look at the tape, the call will probably be reviewed much more closely than the other fouls. For me, it does not change anything I do, it just keeps me focused. It does not mean I am doing anything different from one end of the game, I just would rather call fouls at that stage of the game that are believable. Even if I have not been doing so the rest of the game.

Peace

Are there bad refs out there? Of course there are.

Are there bad coaches? You bet.

My experience is that in general, though not always, they go together.

So if someone thinks the refs are lousy, they'd better look to their own coach and players. If someone thinks the coaches are crummy, they should examine their own calls and mechanics.

Example, I am a varsity official this year, and I got a pretty good schedule. I've had a lot of fun, interesting games, and not much trouble with coaches. But this weekend I did a friend a favor and picked up a couple of Jr Hi games on Sunday afternoon. It was simply a nightmare. The coaches were loud and obnoxious, and they didn't know rules or mechanics. The parents were vile. My partner and I did a pretty good job overall, but on the drive home, I had to stop and ask myself a few questions. I saw some things I could have done differently that might have calmed things down a little, might have given the coaches a little more confidence in me. I'm not saying it was all my fault. I've had a lot of trouble in this league in the past, and in general I avoid it. But there were some techniques I didnt try in talking to the coaches, and managing the game in general, that might have helped a little.

The secret here is to acknowledge my own weaknesses and shortcomings. BBallCoach, I suggest that if you are getting lousy refs over and over again, game after game after game, you examine your own coaching and figure out how to move up to a higher level where the refs are more skilled and more experienced.

Coincidentally, I spent a few minutes last night trying to train my daughter to flip a quarter to always come up "heads".

After she flipped it a few times, I noticed that it had come up "tails" 12 times and "heads" only 3 times. So I yelled at her.

She yelled back, and then flipped the coin a few more times -- 16 "heads" and only 4 "tails." It must be that my yelling worked.

Coach
You completely change defenses and then wonder about the foul count changing in your favor. Instead of patting yourself on the back for doing your job (adjusting to the game) you decide to make it seem as though you won only because the refs gave you some fouls after you complained. Bizarre at best.

And for those who think zones protect players from fouls, I have often seen teams (mine included) that deny the ball well in man, but miss assignments in zones and pick up cheap fouls for late reactions to the ball. So I am willing to believe that your change saved your team, not some change in attitude you fostered in the refferees.

But then again, it was probably your great manner of handling referees that got you the game. Too bad you couldn't win it by coaching your players to be the better team on the floor that day.

Darn, you almost make me want to move Maryland. NOT!

Seriously, good thoughts on this situation.

BTW, are you going to be doing any AAU in Virginia this year? I am hoping to ref some and we may cross paths.

We may do the Fairfax Stars tournament in early April, and of course Kenny Farmer's stuff at Mt. Vernon every weekend is always a good backup plan for any other tournaments that fall through. I have yet to see a Vogues schedule, and we don't know where our qualifier will be played. We do try to avoid the region prior to regionals - no free scouting service here!

We are planning on a fair amount of Baltimore weekends, with a couple of PA tourneys in the mix (Harrisburg and Red Lion it tooks like). I know we have some PIAA refs on this board, and I have found the officiating there to be of a pretty consistently high standard compared with what we get dealt here at times. Not sure why that is, but that has been my experience. Causes us to go back every year!

Hmmm... Go to the bank and ask them if they've ever seen their money do that before.

Great Feedback so far:)
 

Wow guys,

Thanks for all of the great feedback and your opinons on my game. While I appreciate all of you that say that the completly one sided calling for my team in the second half has nothing to do with my T and explaining my displeasure to the zebra who I feel was not calling a good game has nothing to do with it, I beg to differ. I believe all zebras are humans it was once said on here and hold grudges, make mistakes, will get you blah blah. Therefore I feel that on this night those two realized they were calling the game one sided and after I explained to them my mistake, I was a good boy and sat on the bench and didnt bother them and they began to make up for their poor first half.

Why do you guys even respond to these posts? All he's doing is goading you. Unless you agree with his one sided view, he's going to group you into his little "Hypocrite" category.

BTW, when did the word hell become vulgarity? The filter on this site doesn't even censor the word.

I think the word hell became vulgar about the time Chuck saw this picture:

http://www.nj.com/yankees/175_pic/0217ap_arodtorre.jpg

I can hear him now: "Hell hell hell bloody hell hell beyond all recognition hell hell hell!!!!!!!!!!"

This post is right on point. COACH AND TEACH THE PLAYERS!

LET ME REF!!!!!!

Importance of "T"
 

Don't you people know a mole when you read one? BBallCoach is the equivalent of a computer worm virus. His/Her real name is BallbreakerCoach. He/She gives new meaning to the love/hate relationships referees have for coaches. He/She can't stand the fact that you have the ultimate authority over him/her during a game. He/She is laughing at you for responding to his/her posts since there are no acceptable answers to those questions. This is his/her way of getting back at you for all those phantom fouls he/she believes you called at one time against his/her team. Make no mistake, his thread's sole intent is to bash officials. This dude/dudess is a sick puppy who won't even identify where he/she is from! Can you hear me know?

Note: BBallcoach is probably a dude, BTW, a politically correct
a$$umption about him on my part. If that is true, he is probably the alter ego of MTD. Only kidding.....

Re: Importance of
 

My point exactly.

Importance of "T"
 

Because of this and the advantage/disadvantage rule, they should skip the season and go right to the playoffs.

Might get to see you guys in either Farmer's or Stars tournament. BTW, RecRef and I are in the same association -- maybe we will work together on your game. :D

[QUOTE]Originally posted by dblref

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Originally posted by Hawks Coach Might get to see you guys in either Farmer's or Stars tournament. BTW, RecRef and I are in the same association -- maybe we will work together on your game. :D

If I get either of you reffing one of my games, I want you to know now that I think you do a very biased job of refereeing the warm-up, so I want the foul calls in both halves to go my way :D

Re: Re: Importance of
 

Ditto,,, and this little sissy is NOT a coach.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Hawks Coach

Quote:

Originally posted by dblref Quote: Originally posted by Hawks Coach Might get to see you guys in either Farmer's or Stars tournament. BTW, RecRef and I are in the same association -- maybe we will work together on your game. :D If I get either of you reffing one of my games, I want you to know now that I think you do a very biased job of refereeing the warm-up, so I want the foul calls in both halves to go my way :D

Don’t you worry, they will “go your way!” http://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/devil_2.gif

Does raise a question of ethics, I guess we will have to let the other coach know the situation.


When you know your schedule E-mail us so we can reserve a game.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Hawks Coach

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Originally posted by dblref Quote: Originally posted by Hawks Coach Might get to see you guys in either Farmer's or Stars tournament. BTW, RecRef and I are in the same association -- maybe we will work together on your game. :D If I get either of you reffing one of my games, I want you to know now that I think you do a very biased job of refereeing the warm-up, so I want the foul calls in both halves to go my way :D

OK, but only if you chirp, chirp, chirp. Otherwise, I might think I am doing a good job. :D

Ok, time for a little honesty.

I don't know why these other refs are lying bballcoach. Probably to protect their butts.

Reality is, we usually get together before the game and discuss what team we think deserves to win. Sometimes though we decide during warm-ups. If we see players that look sloppy or disheveled- boom, their going to be foul trouble. In rare occasions officials disagree and that typically results in an even foul count. But this is rare.

Then there are the coaches. We have such tremendous respect for this job (because we all secretly wish that we could be coaches too, after all you get to have all the major impact on players) that our respect is sometimes confused with fear. That’s right, we’re afraid of coaches.

Sometimes, coaches just show up and coach their team; they don’t say anything to us. This makes our halftimes very difficult because we don’t know what to correct. But when good coaches, like you, show up and can coach their teams and help us with our jobs, it gives us some direction and tells us how we should call the game.

Unfortunately, not that many coaches are as talented as you. It seems in your game you were able to point out the officials’ error so eloquently that you were able to improve your team’s play and the officials’ ability to do their jobs. Kudos to you.

I wish I had more coaches that could put me in my place and get me to change the way I ref for the better. You are truly a gifted person.

Ooooooo, he got TOED!!

Major props to footlocker
 

Your post is a keeper.

By the way, have you ever considered changing how you ref? I mean, after all, you always seem to T up the coaches who are most helpful to you in performing your duties, and never punish those who refuse to say anything to help you with your game. Kinda odd way to ref, isn't it?

The T is my affectionate way of saying thanks for the help. "T" for Thanks.

I guess I have never been directly thanked, and now I know why. I will have to work on this ;)

Unfortunately, I am still so busy trying to figure out how to get my players to do the right things that I have failed to adequately focus my attention on the refs. :)

Ts
 

T's are a wonderful tool, like most most wonderful tools you don't really use them as much as you should; but there is still those rare mechanics who just love to use them :)

Dam Yankees!! GO RED SOX!!

I guess I am atracted to the Red Sox because I have a subconcious need to here how much I suck, and I can't ever get the big ones right!

I agree with Windy City Ref.
What changes did you make at half time? Did you take the ball to the paint? Did you go to a zone defense? There are different varibles to why. Did you concentrate on Coaching?

Bballcoach, be careful
If you are really helpful, like it seems you might want to be, there is a possibility of getting "T"hanked 2 times. If that happens it has become apparent that the other coach is obviously overmatched, with that in mind you will be asked to leave the facility to even things up.....

And so we come the end of a most enlightening thread---

Do I get to tie the knot?

P.S. I've been away for a couple of days, so I too want to say thanks to footlocker :) that laugh will last at least a week--Thank You!

Go footlocker
 

Doggone it, I started reading this thread and I was hoping to jump all over it, but footlocker beat me to the punch. I personally would also like to ask what color Bballcoach's team wears. I have a system: red beats blue, blue beats black, black beats green. . . . .

Wow lots of feedback and a Question
 

Wow I can't believe all the zebras that are nice enough to give me their positive feedback of my post. While I appreciate your tactful comments I do still have one question. How is it not possible that someone that is human like you all say officials are, would not or could not be influenced by a coach. This is one that still no one can explain to me.

Re: Wow lots of feedback and a Question
 

Hey Bball coach, is your arm ok?? You know from patting yourself on the back?? Your name is a disservice to serious coaches everywhere and especially on this board. If indeed you do have the privelige of being in a coaching position, you are what we commonly refer to as a Howler Monkey...nothing more nothing less...Most officials on this board give Howler Monkeys what they deserve, a casual glance from outside the cage in the zoo, but we don't really let them affect us....

Re: Wow lots of feedback and a Question
 

For me it's called turning a deaf ear. Or rather, it's knowing that I'm being worked at all times (not by all coaches, but just ones like you) and not letting myself get caught up in it.

There are officials that get caught up in the coaches -- I've seen coaches successfully take officials out of their games at all levels up through varsity. I just don't allow that to happen.

Course I work football, where coaches work the officials (especially the sideline guys) all game and baseball, where time stands still while coaches come on the field and act like complete morons. Basketball sticks them in a cute little 14' box for HS games and gives me a mechanism to end discussion (i.e., putting the ball into play). In my mind, I have the advantage there :)

--Rich

Think about it
 

If this wonderful, respectful man is indeed a coach, then what he's doing on this forum is the same thing he does in a game. . . .wasting his time messing with officials when he could be working on his team's game. There are a lot of wonderful books, videos, and websites he could be using right now to improve the level of his coaching and his team's play, aren't there? But no, it's more fun to hang out here and see if he can get a rise out of us. Great idea, 'coach'! 90% of the guys on this forum will ref a lot longer than you coach, if you indeed are a coach at all. :rolleyes:

Mplagrow brings up some great points. I thought I could be of further help by researching a couple of popular basketball coaching forums. I have listed two below. Furthermore, mplagrow needs to be corrected for an earlier thread. I’m sorry; I usually back up other officials, especially in the presence of a coach. But I cannot let this obvious mistake slide. Blue does not beat black. You should know that. I’m so disappointed.


#1. http://www.basketball-toplinks.com/T...ge_Boards.html

#2. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/basketball-coaching/

ROTFL. . . . .are you talking about NCAA or FIBA? Cause I think it's different in high school.

Re: Re: Wow lots of feedback and a Question
 

So I say this and tonight end up whacking a varsity girls head coach. But I didn't get caught up in it.

Thanks one and all
 

Hey to the greatest zebras in the world, thanks for all of your posiitve comments. The game of basketball is better off because you show up for two hours and blow your whistle.

Thanks

2 HOURS!!
 

Who has a game that lasts 2 hours?

I'm always struggling to get the game going faster than that so I can get out of there sooner!

2 hours?
 

Man, someone must have screwed up and allowed an overtime.