I didn't want to do it. I didn't like doing it. Sigh. I did it.

3 seconds :(

A2 is in the lane for 3, 4 seconds and starts to leave. Good. He's leaving, I don't have to yell or call anything. Before he leaves the lane, A1 drives just inside the lane and jumps. (A2 is now around 5 seconds in the lane.) But ok, as long as A1 takes that shot, I won't have to call anything.

A1 dumps the ball off to A2 who is point-blank in front of the basket.

Doggonit!

Tweet!

Good call.

I hate that too LOL..the situation I hate is similar to yours...A2 in the lane weak side for 3+ but like you I see a shot or other action that will keep me from calling it..shot goes up, rebound goes weak side....A2 has it and shoots....so lately, I have been getting them out of there or calling it before the rebound thing and advantage happens..... I did have an opportunity to sit and visit with a coach last nite about various nuances of our avocation...pretty cool, he asked about the when we do and don't call 3 seconds, who is watching where...really kind of neat to get to do that...

Id have to disagree, 3 seconds is not called enough and as a ref should not try and justify to ourselves why we arent going to call it. Its a rule thats in the rule book therefore we should enforce it. The rule does state that if it is close and the player(has the ball, not a teammate)attempts a shot at like 2 seconds then no call. But too many times coaches can get riled up about the 3 seconds therefore snowballing into other things they can get mad at. All it takes is to call it ONE time early in the game and the players will adapt.

Did you have to buy a round of beverages for that indiscretion? :D

Mregor

WTOREF:

3 seconds like other calls should be judged as advantage/disadvantage. I have not called 3 seconds in a high school game in at least 2 years (knock on wood). IMHO, if you are call 3 seconds every game you are missing the game.

Carefull!
 

There are many games where 3 seconds is not called but the games are poorly officiated so just because it is called will not determine the quality of the officiating. We had a good thread on three seconds about a month ago and there was some great discusion on the philosopy behind the three second call. To never call three seconds is probably not the correct interpetation nor is to call it all the time the proper interpetation. The level of play and the situation may determine if it is warranted.

I was, in a round-about way, speaking to focus. If you are watching off ball, in the paint, are looking for 3 seconds? That should not be your primary focus. I focus more on post play, screens and rebounding. If I catch a player camped in the lane, I verbally tell them to get out. If I see a player with a toe over the line, I ignor it. If there is a player who is getting an advantage from camping the lane I call it. I suppose that 'round here high school players do not camp with advantage very much. On the other hand, I call 3 seconds in grade school games with greater frequency.

No. As a matter of fact, my partner had brought Diet Cokes for after the game. What a guy!!

I cannot understand why an official who sees someone in the lane for more then 3 sec would NOT call it? Now, I don't go looking for it but when I see someone in the lane all day, I call it. Heck it's in the rule book.

Ah, I'm just lazy, Windy.

It sure is. BTW, how many multiple fouls you call this season?

If you see a slap on the arm of A1 that is passing to wide open A2 who is going to shoot a wide open lay up - do you call it? Heck it's in the book. Every time that is called 'round here, coaches complain because you 2 points from them.

Chuck,
Good off ball work!
Good focus!
mick

Use advantage/disadvantage. Kid is in the lane 3+ seconds and then sets a screen to free a shooter. Advantage call it.

Kid is in lane 3 + seconds recieves ball for lay-up. Advantage call it.

KId gets off rebound and is stifled by defense for 3+ seconds. Reward good defens call it.

Kid is lost on offense and actually hurting his team and doing nothing constructive. No advantage no whistle.

Kid falls to ground and is laying in lane or fails to clear but is working hard. No advantage no whistle.

IMO useing this trian of thought is good officiating. THe 3 second rule is in the book because it is important as far as advantage/disadvantage. Not to be used as an absolute guideline. Just as the amount of contact we judge to be advantage/disadvantage on a shooter or rebounder.

MN3:

Good train to be on.

Chuck, I called two off-ball double fouls in the same city rec league game tonight. Everyone in the gym went dead silent when I called the first one, as if they've never heard of such a thing. Second one happens, the players were telling the offending players to knock it off already. Rest of the game goes smoothly.

My partner last nigh
 

My partner had four 3-second calls last night; two each half. It repeatedly disruped any flow and made the players angry. One time I'm sure the player had only his heels in the key. He never warned. Oh well

One problem I see with 3 seconds is that the discussion of the rule has gotten bigger than the rule itself. Some officials seem to have made it a contest. (I only called it once all year. I haven't called it since '01. etc.) Others have elevated their "warning" to the point of almost screaming at the player. (Get out of there, 44!) I personally prefer a literal interpretation buffered by a bit of common sense. I do not call it on the guy standing with one heel on the free throw line. I do call it on the potential rebounder who lurks in and around the lane all night, even if he "almost got out of the lane" that time.
No warning, call it when you see it like anything else. Does this mean that I have repeated 3 second calls that "disrupt the flow of the game," whatever that means? No, quite the contrary, I believe.

Yea, I agree with 'Just another Ref' here. My first reply was based on the initial post. I would have called it before he received the pass from his team mate. I believe leaving him hang there for a rebound isn't right.

But that's just my thoughts on the matter.

All night?
 

justa,
How long is "all night" ?
... 1st quarter, 2nd quarter? ;)
mick

I like your approach.....to not calling 3 seconds, unless the advantage (illegally) rears it's ugly head.......

We have talked about this call (no call ) in our assocaition.

I think early in the season, we were a little trigger happy, and not doing a good job of preventative officiating ("tell them to get out!).......

we had a good call similiar to yours in an area game the other night, i told the offical who made the call, the only one we had to call that night, it was a great call!

No one in the gym said a word!

thanks

Re: All night?
 

This is deep stuff. I'm creating a profile here. This guy, perhaps a Dennis Rodman type, who hangs around the lane looking for offensive boards and is not otherwise involved in the offense, is the guy I am describing here.
I call 3 seconds on him when I see it, whatever quarter that may be, and then chances are I won't have to call it
"all night."

That's cool. I have no problem with a double foul (although if you have two in one game, you might ask yourself if you're seeing the beginning of the play).

But I didn't ask Windy about double fouls. . .