Resetting shot clock?

[Art H]

I had a game last night, a Girls Varsity, and the situation was as follows: Team A has posession in their front court with 5 secs on shot clock. Player from Team A shoots a 3 point shot, it doesn't hit rim (air ball) the ball hits the floor, player B and player A both grab the ball and we blow a held ball. There's 2 secs left on the shot clock. Team A has the posession arrow. Do we reset the clock? We didn't reset the clock but now I think we should have. I thought the ball no longer has any team or player posession once a shot is made. What's the opinion of this forum?

[BktBallRef]

Do you reset the shot clock if the shot doesn't hit the rim? No.

Do you reset the shot clock if Team A keeps the ball after an AP sitch? No.

I think you made the right call.

[mick]

Art H,
Like Tony said, no reset.

BR rule 2-12 Art. 7.g says

Stop the timing device and continue time without rest when play begins under the following circumstances: (g) after simultaneous held ball ...occurs during a throw-in and the possession arrow favors the throw-in team.

mick

[Dennis Flannery]

The key word would be simultaneously. If a shot is taken and both A1 and B1 grab the ball simultaneously...then you have a reset.

[Art H]

Originally posted by Dennis Flannery
The key word would be simultaneously. If a shot is taken and both A1 and B1 grab the ball simultaneously...then you have a reset.

Can you tell me where this is in the rule book?I vaguely remember talking about this situation in class last year.

[Dennis Flannery]

In california we use the college rules for shot clocks...because there is no team control on a shot...and the ball was grab at the same time... you get a reset.

[mick]

Originally posted by Dennis Flannery
The key word would be simultaneously. If a shot is taken and both A1 and B1 grab the ball simultaneously...then you have a reset.

Dennis,
I think you have misinterpreted the rule, or you did not qualify your statement to say the non-shoooting team has the arrow, which was not the case.

As stated above:

BR rule 2-12 Art. 7.says"

Art.7 Stop the timing device and continue time without reset when play begins under the following circumstances: (g) after simultaneous held ball ...occurs during a throw-in and the possession arrow favors the throw-in team.

[walter]

I agree with Dennis for the following reasons. NCAA 2-13-6-d states "Stop the timing device and reset it: (d) when a held ball occurs except for 2-13-7-d and 2-13-7g." Those sections address a held ball and state when the shot clock should not be reset. (d) says during team control (which we don't have in this situation because of the try) a defensive player causes a held ball and the possession arrow favors the offensive team. (g) says after a simultaneous held ball occurs during a throw-in (we have a try not a throw-in) and the possession arrow favors the throw-in team. In my opinion, those are the only two situations where you don't reset the shot clock. Here you had no team control. There was a try for goal but not a shot clock try. Since team control ended, then a held ball occurred, I believe it gets reset. Some may argue that if it was an airball and team A rebounded there would have been no reset. Again, my thinking is that's correct because you had a "try" but not a "shot clock try" under NCAA rules. The difference being a shot clock try is defined as the ball having left the player's hand(s) before the sounding of the shot clock horn and then striking the ring or flange or entering the basket. We did not have a shot clock try in this situation. Since the NFHS doesn't use a shot clock, the NCAA rules are the guidelines.

[mick]

Originally posted by walter
I agree with Dennis for the following reasons. NCAA 2-13-6-d states "Stop the timing device and reset it: (d) when a held ball occurs except for 2-13-7-d and 2-13-7g." Those sections address a held ball and state when the shot clock should not be reset. (d) says during team control (which we don't have in this situation because of the try) a defensive player causes a held ball and the possession arrow favors the offensive team. (g) says after a simultaneous held ball occurs during a throw-in (we have a try not a throw-in) and the possession arrow favors the throw-in team. In my opinion, those are the only two situations where you don't reset the shot clock. Here you had no team control. There was a try for goal but not a shot clock try. Since team control ended, then a held ball occurred, I believe it gets reset. Some may argue that if it was an airball and team A rebounded there would have been no reset. Again, my thinking is that's correct because you had a "try" but not a "shot clock try" under NCAA rules. The difference being a shot clock try is defined as the ball having left the player's hand(s) before the sounding of the shot clock horn and then striking the ring or flange or entering the basket. We did not have a shot clock try in this situation. Since the NFHS doesn't use a shot clock, the NCAA rules are the guidelines.

Walter,
Yes!! I agree with you and Dennis. Thank you.
Your call is reinforced by ruling AR17 in 9-10.2 :

A.R.17 With the alternating possession arrow in favor of Team A and 20 seconds remaining on the shot clock, A1's try for a goal lodges...
Ruling: Team A shall be awarded possession for a throw-in and the shot clock shall be reset.

Thanks again.
mick

[MREUROREF]

if it hits the rim. But would the Shot clock be reset if shot an airball and then had a jump ball situation with Team B. When Team A gets the ball back, would the Shot Clock be reset also???

[mick]

Originally posted by MREUROREF
if it hits the rim. But would the Shot clock be reset if shot an airball and then had a jump ball situation with Team B. When Team A gets the ball back, would the Shot Clock be reset also???

I believe so because, within the cases:
Each try ended in a possession arrow situation.

mick

[Dennis Flannery]

if you read the 1st post it was an air ball that we were talking about.

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by MREUROREF
if it hits the rim. But would the Shot clock be reset if shot an airball and then had a jump ball situation with Team B. When Team A gets the ball back, would the Shot Clock be reset also???

If B gets the ball, the shot clock is always reset (either on the touch or on the posession, depending)

If A gets the ball, in this case (shot, missed rim, held ball, arrow to A), also reset it. (It's item D6 on my handout of NCAA Men's Women's Shot Clock Situations)

I think it was clearly explained previously in this thread.

[hoopsrefBC]

Hey i just got this question wrong on our national test (CIAU), the correct answer according to NCAA rules is that they is to be a reset of the shot clock.

I don't like it but that what the rule states.

keep smiling
SH

[Richard Ogg]

As indicated above, NFHS does not use the shot clock. So, if you do, then it is because your state has implemented a state-rule and those could vary from state to state.

California uses the shot clock and this case is directly our of the state book. With a simultaneous rebound, the clock resets. (So if you were in California you did it wrong. Sorry.) However, if A rebounds the ball, then B causes a held ball, and the A/P points to A, then the inbound is done without reseting the clock. (Another case right out of our book.)

Again, every state could differ.