Mouthy Cheerleader

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Gmoore

1) Though each official draws individual boundaries of acceptance, the following "hierarchy of tolerance" shows how much, or little, you should tolerate from a segment of the game. The groups are listed in order from whom the officials should be most tolerant to the group the officials should be least tolerant.

2).. Starting players. It’s true that people come to games for the most part to see the players play. While that doesn’t give a player free reign to abuse officials, it does mean officials should do whatever they can with preventive officiating to keep them in the game. If all else fails, penalize. Starting players get a bit more leeway than reserves.

1) If we all have individual boundaries of acceptance(which is true,btw), why do we all have to follow your boundaries of acceptance?

2) You gotta be kidding. Give any player an unfair advantage over another player? Not freakin' likely!!

[Bart Tyson]

Jurassic, Have you ever heard the trem, "...keep the starters in the game...". Starters=better play. Subs come in and want to change the game, usually not for the better.

[Mark Dexter]

Wow.

Three pages about cheerleaders?


They're CHEERLEADERS for crying out loud! Ignore them, and play on!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Bart Tyson
Jurassic, Have you ever heard the trem, "...keep the starters in the game...". Starters=better play. Subs come in and want to change the game, usually not for the better.

Bart, I've heard that many times. I also disagreed with it every single time that I heard it. An official's job is to be fair, consistent, and also call the game equally for both teams. If you're favoring any player out there, you sure aren't being fair or consistent, and you can't ever guarantee that you're calling the game equally for both teams. Heck, that's even a complaint in the NBA now, where the stars definitely do get favored.I hear officials harp constantly on advantage/disadvantage, and then in the next breath come up with a theory like this, which is the complete antithesis of advantage/disadvantage.

If any of the players want to change the game, that's completely up to the players. We're just supposed to react to what's going on out there, not act to influence what's going on.

[oc]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Bart, I've heard that many times. I also disagreed with it every single time that I heard it. An official's job is to be fair, consistent, and also call the game equally for both teams. If you're favoring any player out there, you sure aren't being fair or consistent, and you can't ever guarantee that you're calling the game equally for both teams. Heck, that's even a complaint in the NBA now, where the stars definitely do get favored.I hear officials harp constantly on advantage/disadvantage, and then in the next breath come up with a theory like this, which is the complete antithesis of advantage/disadvantage.

If any of the players want to change the game, that's completely up to the players. We're just supposed to react to what's going on out there, not act to influence what's going on.

Totally agree with JR.--Besides, once the game starts I can't even remember which players started. (except for the captains and maybe one or two more)

Scenario: Team A only has 5 decent players and coach rarely uses his bench, Team B has a balanced team and subs regularly. Your philosophy is not going to make for a fair game

[canuckrefguy]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

If you're favoring any player out there, you sure aren't being fair or consistent, and you can't ever guarantee that you're calling the game equally for both teams. Heck, that's even a complaint in the NBA now, where the stars definitely do get favored.

Yeah, ask Shaq about that one

And Vince Carter - I'm sorry, but that was brutal.

[smoref]

The question is,

Was it all ball and you were mad at yourself for kicking the call, so you took it out on the poor girl. Then she showed you up and it pissed you off even more?????

[Gmoore]

I can not take credit for that post I came across it from the NASO site..

just thought i would repost it.

[BK]

Thanks for the vote of confidence fellas! I didn't ask for a psychological evaluation, I asked how to handle it with administration in a more efficient way. If a cheerleader got mouthy with me again, I'd still take care of her, but I'd do it more efficiently and with less flare!!! I'm certainly not on a power trip, but my job is hard enough without some 16 year old sassing me about something she has no clue about! Hope those who second guessed me feel better about themselves!!!

[canuckrefguy]

Originally posted by BK
Thanks for the vote of confidence fellas! I didn't ask for a psychological evaluation, I asked how to handle it with administration in a more efficient way. If a cheerleader got mouthy with me again, I'd still take care of her, but I'd do it more efficiently and with less flare!!! I'm certainly not on a power trip, but my job is hard enough without some 16 year old sassing me about something she has no clue about! Hope those who second guessed me feel better about themselves!!!

Hold the phone there, BK.

You posted - expect replies. Expect people to not agree with you. Expect some to back you 100%. That's why we're all here.

Bottom line (for me, anyway), is you let a glorified "fan" de-rail your focus. "That was all ball" does not, in my mind, fall under our list of things that are over the line. We absorb lots of "sass" from lots of "people who have no clue" all the time: players, coaches, fans, parents, whoever. We ignore them, and we soldier on, confident that, yes, they have no clue - and we do.

Thicken up that skin, baby.

If you haven't guessed by now, this is the wrong place to come if all you're looking for is navel-gazers to pat you on the back, telling you how right you are all the time.

[jcarter]

Ok, fellas Im the new guy on the block. I have been reading this board for about 2 months now and finaly decided to start posting. ( heh on a thread about cheerleaders none the less ) I am 38 years old, I have been officiating baseball for about 10 years, just started officiating basketball this year.

Now on to the topic at hand. If I remeber correctly from our last association meeting this topic was brought up. Now the way in which the situation was presented it does not seem to be that serious. But then again generally when something is written it does not explain the situation completely like it was.

Anyway, we were told that cheerleaders and pep bands for example are all considered representatives of the school. with that being said these people should not be tretaed like fans and they should adhear to bench rules. So in my mind i am thinking that if this is a situation where you would give a player on the bench who made the same remarks a warning, the cheerleader should also have been given a warning.

I do not believe that you should have stopped the game. I would have waited for a dead ball or a time out. Went over to the table and asked someone to go explain the situation to the administrator and ask the administrator to go talk to the cheerleader.

Well, like i say i am the new guy, but that is my thinking on the situation.

Dont be to bruttle on me.... LOL

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by BK
Thanks for the vote of confidence fellas! I didn't ask for a psychological evaluation, I asked how to handle it with administration in a more efficient way. If a cheerleader got mouthy with me again, I'd still take care of her, but I'd do it more efficiently and with less flare!!! I'm certainly not on a power trip, but my job is hard enough without some 16 year old sassing me about something she has no clue about! Hope those who second guessed me feel better about themselves!!!

See, here's how it works big guy: you say this...

I'm open to suggestions!

...and you should expect suggestions. If you're not open to suggestions then say so right up front.

[carldog]

Ya know, the game bird /water fowl hunters around these parts have a saying, "The feathers only fly where the pellets hit."

Maybe the cheerleader saw it right ...maybe it WAS all ball!

[mick]

Fellas,
This thread has had me just chuckling!

BK is a really, really BIG GUY, and I can only imagine how that entire scenario looked from the stands.

In a few years BK will have a daughter about that age,... oooh, Boy! (...the thought just makes me smile/cry/laugh/die.)

Hang in there, Big Guy.

mick (Used to be a parent of a teenage daughter, but I quit.)

[Smitty]

Originally posted by BK
I'm certainly not on a power trip, but my job is hard enough without some 16 year old sassing me about something she has no clue about!

But you're not on a power trip. Right...