I know Dick Vitale argues about this all the time--how in college they should get rid of the arrow and go with the actual jump ball.

Would you be in favor of this at the high school level?

Just thinking/typing out loud...

JB vs AP
 

I think they should leave HS AP as it is. Sometimes at the high school level, more often on frosh/jv, I've seen tree and stump going at it for the tip-off. There's some teams out there with the height of a wide-open prarie and what can they do, its really no big deal in the long run to lose the tip-off, but to have to go up against the redwood and lose everytime? Hmmm. And how bout those frosh/jv's where there's more ap's than shot attempts. I say yyuk.

Gotta keep it for high school, especially girls. In some games, you can have as many as 10 held balls. All those actual jumps just slow the game down even more.

Alternating possession is an abomination upon the game of basketball.

So is the fact that they widened the lane because of one player...oh wait, that worked.

So is instant replay...oh wait, that worked.

So is the shot clock...oh wait, that worked.

You want to talk a real abomination of the game, Iowa starts each girls game not with a jump ball, but with a coin flip. With no arrow, you'd be flipping a coin a bunch of times each game.

10-15-20 held ball situations, and having a jump ball for each one is more of an abomination, IMHO.

How so? What don't you like about AP? I never liked jump balls much as a player nor as an official. If we jumped every quarter, the team with a giraffe would theoretically get four more possessions per game than the team with no giraffe.

An evaluator at a recent state tournament told me that of the 8 jump balls to start the games, 6 of the jumps were illegally "stolen" by a jumper. None were called. How many bad tosses would we be injecting into a girls game if we jumped each quarter plus each held ball. No thanks!

Z

I worked a pile of games before the AP rule came in, where we had to jump every held ball. I shudder to think of the NFHS or NCAA ever reverting to that rule.

I don't think Dick V, wants to have them jump, he wants to give the ball to the def. team.

That was the the rule on a 5-second closely guarded call at one time. Defense got the ball for a throw-in.

And the rule now is ...? ;)

Oh my!

Can't believe that I typed that. :D

You hitting the "superbowl punch" a little early? :)

You hitting the "superbowl punch" a little early?

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May Woody the Deuce lift a leg on you while you're sleeping tonight!

Geeze, that brought you out from under your log in a hurry, didn't it? Yup, kick poor ol' totterin',dodderin' Woody when he's down is the name of the game, isn't it?

May Woody the Deuce lift a leg on you while you're sleeping tonight! [/B][/QUOTE]

Same to you buddy

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The arrow was added in 1982, and then in 1983, the 5-second closely guarded was changed to a violation.

Also, for reference, the NBA dropped jump balls per quarter in 1976, going to the present Quarter Possession format. In Quarter Possession, the loser of the jump ball gains the ball in the second and third period, and the winner the fourth period. The Union of European Basketball Leagues (ULEB, sanctions the Euroleague) adopted the NBA rule in 2001. Some rec leagues do not use a possession arrow, and use the NBA form of quarter possession.

In FIBA, the arrow is NOT used to start the third quarter -- they jump again.

I like the coin flip. In fact, I have always done a coin flip in those wonderful times I've worked a rec league solo. There's no way I can work the first 5 seconds standing at midcourt with one hand over my face, one over my groin, and my whistle hanging out.

The NCAA Men's Rules Committee adopted the Alternating Possession Rule for the 1981-82 season, and the NFHS Rules Committee adopted the rule for the 1985-86 season. Dick Schindler, Editor of the NFHS Basketball Rules gave the following reasons for its adoption: "I think all the reasons for the alternating jump ball rule have been pretty well hashed out by the coaches, officials and media in recent years. Basically it eleminates the very difficult administration of the jump ball situation and allow for a smoother flow in action." This quote by Dick Schindler is from the Focus On The Rules section of the May 1985 (Vol. 2, No. 9) of the National Federation News. The National Federation News is the predecessor to the NFHS Officials Quarterly.

The difficult administration of the jump ball situation meant that too many officials were not doing a competent job of tossing the ball. Smoother flow in action meant to shorten the time from the held ball was called to getting the ball back into play and therefore the game will go quicker.

Even today, too many officials do a poor job of tossing the ball for the only jump ball during the game, but I still do not think that this was a valid reason for going to the AP Rule. As for smoother flow in action I never felt put out by having to get the players lined up for the jump ball.

MTD, Sr.

MTD - I disagree with you on this one. I think the AP is a fair way to manage this portion of the game. Can you imagine the 437 jumps we'd have to line up for in a girls reserve game? The other thing is what about situations where you have a 5'2" guy that ties up a 6"7" guy? Why bother jumping?

I've heard the idea that we have a coin toss to start the game for the very reasons mentioned....tosses are so inconsistent etc. Personally, I think we should keep it out of tradition.

Larks - Crooked too high of a toss rookie guy

With what do you disagree? My latest post or my earlier post?

MTD, Sr.

Does he have to pick only one? ;)

Not really, I will still give a free hair style. LOL

MTD, Sr.