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zebraman Tue Jan 20, 2004 02:10pm

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
But I am having a hard time reconciling how our experiences can be so diametrically opposed. I've seen it literally once in 25 years, and you see it several times in warm-ups? Hard to figure. My position is the same. Fix it at the next clock stoppage. Don't interrupt the game to do it. JMO.
I agree, hard to figure. While I haven't had it happen in a game this year, I had it happen a couple times last year in a game. Usually on a long three-pointer that rips nothing but cord. Maybe our schools use cheaper nets than the schools you work. ?? In my girls game last Friday night, the net got stuck during warm-ups. I remember well because one of the girls asked me to jump up and get it down. I just laughed and said, "yeah right, maybe 5 years ago but not now!"

Out of curiousity, in that one game that you had it happen... what was the result? What happened the next time the team shot at the stuck net? Did the ball just go through and no problem?

Z

Dan_ref Tue Jan 20, 2004 02:10pm

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Originally posted by rockyroad
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Originally posted by Dan_ref
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Originally posted by ChuckElias


Dan can probably confirm this story about a D1 assignor. The assignor went to a league game to observe his three officials. One of the officials did not have a very neat appearance. Among other things, his shirt was noticibly old. After the game, the assignor went in to the officials' locker room. He took the shirt out of that official's bag and threw it in the trash. His only comment to the official was "Now go buy a new [bleepin] shirt." The official was not invited back to the conference the following season.


He probaly could confirm it.


So how much did that new jersey cost you, Dan???

Chuck can probably confirm that I was most definitely NOT the victim in this story. ;)

ChuckElias Tue Jan 20, 2004 02:18pm

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Originally posted by zebraman
Out of curiousity, in that one game that you had it happen... what was the result? What happened the next time the team shot at the stuck net? Did the ball just go through and no problem?
Z, I've seen the net get flipped plenty of times. It's not uncommon. Maybe that's our confusion. I'm not talking about simply having the net flip up. I agree that happens quite often. What's uncommon in my experience is to have the flipped net interfere with a shot. The flipped net is almost never flipped so tightly as to prevent the shot from going through.

The "one time" I refered to was not in a game, but during a team practice 20-odd years ago. My teammate was trying to be funny so he flipped the net over the rim, then jumped again and pulled it through tightly. Next guy in the layup line had his layup sit on top of the net. That's the only time I've ever seen the net stop a shot from going through.

ChuckElias Tue Jan 20, 2004 02:20pm

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Originally posted by Dan_ref
Chuck can probably confirm that I was most definitely NOT the victim in this story. ;)
To be honest, I can't; b/c I have no idea who the official was in the story. I can only confirm that the assignor tells the story to make his point.

Dan_ref Tue Jan 20, 2004 02:24pm

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
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Originally posted by Dan_ref
Chuck can probably confirm that I was most definitely NOT the victim in this story. ;)
To be honest, I can't; b/c I have no idea who the official was in the story. I can only confirm that the assignor tells the story to make his point.

Ahhh...but you can confirm I was in the room when you heard the story (can't you?) and you can confirm that the assignor in question would have had no problem pointing out the victim if he was in the room when he told the story.

ChuckElias Tue Jan 20, 2004 02:25pm

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Originally posted by DJ
but in a high school game I will stop and fix the net.
Let me just ask you a simple question, DJ. Why? Why stop the game to pull down the net? It has no effect on the game if it's up. So why not just leave it? Either the next shot will knock it loose, or some kid will jump up and get it down, or you'll have a clock stoppage anyway and you can go do it. Why interrupt the game for something that has no bearing on the game? B/c the players all point to the net? Just something to think about.

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I also believe that no conference is going to get rid of an official because his shirt is old. Come on Chuck, we are not that naive!!!
You can believe it or not, DJ. I can only tell you that this story was told to me by the assignor himself. Perhaps he made it up to emphasize a point to his audience; but I doubt it.

ChuckElias Tue Jan 20, 2004 02:27pm

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Originally posted by Dan_ref
Ahhh...but you can confirm I was in the room when you heard the story (can't you?)
True enough.

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and you can confirm that the assignor in question would have had no problem pointing out the victim if he was in the room when he told the story.
And true enough. :D

DJ Tue Jan 20, 2004 03:06pm

Why stop play?
 
Why stop play if the net is hung up? Because in our part of the country it is the accepted thing to do and everybody does it. If your area is different then I can accept that. I have often thought that an official exchange with different areas of the country would be fun but of course it is not practical. I think that we would all find out that we are on the same page in respect to most parts of the game and the areas that are different are the trivial issues that have little or no bearing on the final outcome of a game! Ah, yes five games this week and I have a sore throat and our first game of the week was a dog fight! Things are really looking up!!! But, you've got to love it and by the way I am lucky enough to have a great wife who lets me do what I love to do and for this I am thankful!!

DownTownTonyBrown Tue Jan 20, 2004 03:27pm

I believe the Trail official (whether it was his whistle that stopped play or not I don't know) was Mr. Scott Thornley. A multiple final four official... doubt his job is in jeopardy. May have still gotten an ear full.

I know he was working the game and I only saw a glimpse of a rather gray-headed official OOB when the play was stopped. I was surprized to see it happen.

And his shirt looked fine. :D

Dan_ref Tue Jan 20, 2004 03:30pm

Re: Why stop play?
 
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Originally posted by DJ


I have often thought that an official exchange with different areas of the country would be fun but of course it is not practical.

As the Northeast US delegate I'm empowered to offer you
Chuck in return for 3 dead monkeys.

We're playing hard ball on this - I can negotiate the number of dead things, whether the dead things are monkeys or not or if the things I come back with are dead or not.

I just can't come back with Chuck.

Jurassic Referee Tue Jan 20, 2004 03:43pm

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[/B]
As the Northeast US delegate I'm empowered to offer you
Chuck in return for 3 dead monkeys.

[/B][/QUOTE]Three dead monkeys for this?

http://www.sodamnfunny.com/Picture/Animal/photo7.jpg

Hardly fair!

Btw, I agree with Rocky, er Chuck. Fix the net when you get a dead ball.

Back In The Saddle Tue Jan 20, 2004 03:46pm

Re: Re: Why stop play?
 
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Originally posted by Dan_ref
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Originally posted by DJ


I have often thought that an official exchange with different areas of the country would be fun but of course it is not practical.

As the Northeast US delegate I'm empowered to offer you
Chuck in return for 3 dead monkeys.

We're playing hard ball on this - I can negotiate the number of dead things, whether the dead things are monkeys or not or if the things I come back with are dead or not.

I just can't come back with Chuck.

Hmmm, not sure I can go three dead monkies. But I've got some ABC gum (now flavorless), some ear wax, and a significant quantity of navel lint. If he's finally bought that new shirt, I'll throw in a couple of comic books. :D

Dan_ref Tue Jan 20, 2004 03:49pm

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by Dan_ref

As the Northeast US delegate I'm empowered to offer you
Chuck in return for 3 dead monkeys.

[/B]
Three dead monkeys for this?

http://www.sodamnfunny.com/Picture/Animal/photo7.jpg

Hardly fair!

Btw, I agree with Rocky, er Chuck. Fix the net when you get a dead ball. [/B][/QUOTE]

You're nuts!

Anyway, it doesn't have to be 3...we'll settle for 1 lanyard.

(BTW, I agree.)

Dan_ref Tue Jan 20, 2004 03:52pm

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Originally posted by Dan_ref
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Originally posted by DJ


I have often thought that an official exchange with different areas of the country would be fun but of course it is not practical.

As the Northeast US delegate I'm empowered to offer you
Chuck in return for 3 dead monkeys.

We're playing hard ball on this - I can negotiate the number of dead things, whether the dead things are monkeys or not or if the things I come back with are dead or not.

I just can't come back with Chuck.

Hmmm, not sure I can go three dead monkies. But I've got some ABC gum (now flavorless), some ear wax, and a significant quantity of navel lint. If he's finally bought that new shirt, I'll throw in a couple of comic books. :D


Hmmmmm....what kind of comic books? (You can keep the lint & wax...yuch)

ChuckElias Tue Jan 20, 2004 04:11pm

Re: Why stop play?
 
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Originally posted by DJ
Why stop play if the net is hung up? Because in our part of the country it is the accepted thing to do and everybody does it.
If that's what they do, then that's what they do. But this is not like belts vs. beltless pants. We're not talking about fashion. We're talking about interrupting the flow of the game for no good reason. If you stop the game to get the net down, you give the scoring team plenty of time to set up their press; or to get a sub into the game at an opportune moment; or you may take away the long outlet pass. Why do that for something that has no bearing on the game at all? I don't get it.

If everybody in your area jumped off a bridge. . . Sorry, never mind. I was channelling my mom there for a second :)


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