Seemed right, but I still don't like it

[ChuckElias]

Ok, NCAA game today. Low skill level. First two minutes of the game. . .

I'm Lead, table-side, in 3-whistle crew. Ball is directly in front of Trail. A5 and B5 jostling for position on low block, my side. Their arms get kind of tangled (but no holding) and after just a second, they separate. While A5's arms are still in the air, B5 turns and throws an elbow into A5's chest.

I come out with. . . intentional. Sigh.

Even as my arms went up, I didn't like it. First foul of the game. As I report the foul, and the coach is telling me how terrible the call is, I tell him it's away from the ball, it's with the elbow, and he did it on purpose. Textbook intentional.

And I still don't like it. I don't even know what I'm looking for here, but thought I'd share it.

[BktBallRef]

What did your partners think?

[ChuckElias]

They both felt the same way I did. Textbook call; maybe not appropriate for the game situation, tho.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Chuck,

When B5 turned, was it his momentum that caused the contact with A5, or did B5 turn and decide (in your judgement) to pop A5 in the chest with is forearm? If it is the former, then a common foul is the correct call, if it is the latter, then an intentional (or flagrant, but that is another thread) personal foul is the correct call. From what you have said about the feedback that you received from your partners, then I think that you made the correct decision.

MTD, Sr.

[mick]

Good call, Chuck!
Crybaby Coach had to cry to back up his player.

RE: Game sitch - Let it go... it won't get better.
mick

[BK]

I know that you know...but the KISS method applies here to a degree. Did he INTENTIONALLY bust the boy in the ribs with the bow, or did he just catch him in a funny spot.

[mick]

Originally posted by BK
I know that you know...but the KISS method applies here to a degree. Did he INTENTIONALLY bust the boy in the ribs with the bow, or did he just catch him in a funny spot.

Sooners hire Nebraska Coach.
That was intentional!

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by mick
Sooners hire Nebraska Coach.
That was intentional!

Spartans beat Wolverines.

That was.....unexpected?

Originally posted by ChuckElias
They both felt the same way I did. Textbook call; maybe not appropriate for the game situation, tho.

Seems to me you're not liking it because the coach didn't like it. Or was it the time of the game that you didn't like? Did it create problems with the coach for the rest of the game?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

I come out with. . . intentional.

Even as my arms went up, I didn't like it. First foul of the game. As I report the foul, and the coach is telling me how terrible the call is, I tell him it's away from the ball, it's with the elbow, and he did it on purpose. Textbook intentional.

And I still don't like it. I don't even know what I'm looking for here, but thought I'd share it.

If you didn't like the call, you probably shouldn't have called it.

Did you make the call too quick, maybe? Nothing wrong with just the closed fist in the air, followed by a small pause before you make the call. Even on an intentional foul. Gives you time to make that final decision.

[BK]

Originally posted by mick

Sooners hire Nebraska Coach.
That was intentional!

AND 1!!!

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
Chuck,

When B5 turned, was it his momentum that caused the contact with A5, or did B5 turn and decide (in your judgement) to pop A5 in the chest with is forearm?

He definitely turned, took a look, and planted it on him. I really do think he did it on purpose.

To answer Tony's question, I didn't like it b/c of the game situation. Less than two minutes in, and it was the first foul of the game. It's one of those situations where the experienced guys say, "Don't wake up the coach". Well, that call is obviously going to wake him up at that point of the game.

I think it was probably defendable either way (common or intentional), and so in that particular circumstance, the common foul might've been more appropriate. Wonder if I can get the game tape. . .

[WinterWillie]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ChuckElias
[B]

Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
Chuck,



I think it was probably defendable either way (common or intentional), and so in that particular circumstance, the common foul might've been more appropriate. Wonder if I can get the game tape. . .

The key here is "low skill level". You have to factor that into any call you make in that game.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by WinterWillie
[/B]

The key here is "low skill level". You have to factor that into any call you make in that game.

[/B][/QUOTE]What does the skill level of the players have to do with whether you're gonna call it an intentional foul, or not?

An elbow is an elbow at any skill level,age level, etc.

[devdog69]

I know exactly what you mean, Chuck. I had the same thing in a game Friday night. A girl deliberately reached behind her and slapped a girl going up the court. I called intentional. Was it? Yes. Was it a good call for that game and that time in the game, probably not.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

He definitely turned, took a look, and planted it on him. I really do think he did it on purpose.

To answer Tony's question, I didn't like it b/c of the game situation. Less than two minutes in, and it was the first foul of the game. It's one of those situations where the experienced guys say, "Don't wake up the coach". Well, that call is obviously going to wake him up at that point of the game.

I think it was probably defendable either way (common or intentional), and so in that particular circumstance, the common foul might've been more appropriate. Wonder if I can get the game tape. . .

You did the right thing. It may have been the first foul of the game, but it also sent a message to all of the players that cheap shots are not going to be tolerated today.