I was refereeing on Saturday, and as I called the foul on a player for over the back, (made it the double bonus shot) he grabed the ball, and slammed it on the ground at me. I called the foul and then assessed him with an unsportsmen like T (which is also a personal foul). I went to the bench called the foul, then called the T on the same player.

I assessed it in the order that it happened, we assessed the personal foul shot, (no one on the line,) then the T. We messed up, as the fouled team did not get the ball, (that was our mistake). Also, can the coach call a correctable error on this?


Give me your opinion on this. Was this correct.

it isn't correctable after the ball is inbounded. The rest of it was fine though...assuming the right team shot all the foul shots ;)

Hmmmmm, don't you mean "isn't correctable unless recognized by an official during the first dead ball after the clock has properly started." Rule 2-10

RD

P.S. Fussy, are you saying you didn't give the ball to the team that shot the FT's at the division line opposite the table? If so...why wasn't the Coach screaming AS you were giving the wrong team the ball?
What level of ball was this?

[Edited by RookieDude on Jan 11th, 2004 at 02:42 PM]

Which part of 2-10 says that giving the ball to the wrong team for a throw in is a correctable error?

No, it's not also a personal foul. IT does count as one of the five fouls toward disqualification and as a team foul toward the bonus, though (FED rules).

I wasn't saying the situation was correctable...just thought cmathews was quoting the correctable error language in a way that might confuse fussy...please accept my most sincere apologys if in fact I was confusing in my attempt to be non-confusing. ;)

RD

...and if I might add, ohh great one, the T counts as one of only two T's (unless flagrant) allowed before disqualification.

RD

I am being anal retentive here, but...
 

Welcome aboard gwockenfuss! :)

Now for the short-lived "honeymoon" :D

I am suprised this statement lasted this long.... "Over-the-back" is a phrase that is taboo in this forum to many... I am sure you meant "...the foul on the player for a Push (from behind), ..." ;)

Can I speculate that you also indicated this call with a gesture that looked something like an ape reaching for a branch above your head? :D

The common challenge that is usually asked at this point is where in the rulebook does it state you have an "over-the-back" foul?

Subtle difference, yes; however, it is what separates those who are striving to maintain professionalism (and strive for higher levels) and those destined to remain stagnant at lower levels.

This is NOT a bash against competent officials who willingly stay at the lower levels for whatever personal reason(s). We need more veterans to assist beginners and keep "Bobby Knight-type" coaches in check at this level. I work the majority of my games at lower levels primarily because I do not want the travels required with a full varsity schedule (at least not until my children are gone, out of the house).

What's over the back? :D

It's around the same definition as "reaching in."

:D

Love it!

It is amazing how many times one can see that number each day! :D

RookieDude
Varsity Boys Class C1 game.
Your right, we did not give the ball to that team, all the foul shots were shot by the correct team
My partner and I talked about it, and he even said it happen so fast that after the 2nd shot of the T, the other team took the ball out, since there was 3 seconds left on the clock. No , the Coach (team that shot the shots) did not say a word, told me good call. Although, as we entered the locker room where they were, he did come up to me and say, we were to get the ball also right? I said yes, we messed up. He said, that happens.
All went well after that, no one was upset.

Re: I am being anal retentive here, but...
 

Personal Foul
 

thanks for that information.
gw

How could it "happen so fast?" There shouldn't have been an opponent within about 21 feet of the ball when the second shot for the T went through the basket.

Bottom Line, we messed up.

reaching in?
 

I was told by a veteran offical that there is no
1. Over the back call- should be Push from behind- True

2. How about the reach in call? I didn't think it was that , but a (hand check, or illegal use of the hands)

let me know

There is no "illegal use of the hands" either. Chances are, when someone wants a reach, it's because they think there's a "hack" on the dribble. No contact, no foul. That's why we cringe when we hear someone cry for a call for a "reach." There's nothing wrong with reaching anywhere, if you don't make contact.
The call is generally a "hack," but sometimes a "hold." But never a "reach."
In Iowa, we used to have 6 on 6 girls basketball, in which players were not allowed to cross half court. One quirky rule was that each player was only allowed to dribble the ball twice. Two bounces, and that was it. Another rule was that the defense could not touch the ball if it was in the offensive player's hands (unless she was in the lane, then it was fair game.) I believe the call for this was "illegal use of the hands," but I'm not sure.

To: JR
 

JR: these are the girl's rules from the 50's, n'est pas?

Re: To: JR
 

Si, Signor.

Contact lenses
 

Re: Re: To: JR
 

A friend of mine was playing by these rules in Iowa in the mid 80's!!

Isn't it hilarious? I have all kinds of different quotes like that...I'll change them periodically.

:D

Re: Re: Re: To: JR
 

I "second" Rainmaker's comment:

I dated a girl from Iowa in Aug 1984, she had played by the 6-on-6 rules... Even when she was in WI, now you can see why I discontinued the courtship :D

Huh? :confused:

Adam, check out signal #12 in the back of your rulebook. . .

And...

"Any act or tactic of illegal use of hands, arms or body (offense or defense) that intentionally slows, prevents, impedes the progress or displaces an opposing player due to the contact, is a foul and must be called."

Re: Re: Re: To: JR
 

Yep. Schools in Iowa had the choice between 6 player or 5 player in the 80's. In the mid 90's, the Girls' Union announced all schools would go to 5 player girls' basketball. I want to say, off hand, that the last 6-player games were played in '94 or '95. I graduated in 1992, and my school still played 6 on 6 then.

Adam

Well, color me embarrassed and call me wrong. I humbly submit, your honor. Will that be 20 lashes, or 21?

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