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flsh224 Sat Jan 10, 2004 09:16am

Had an overtime game last night in which we and they lined up in the wrong direction to start the overtime. Team A got the tip and went down and missed the shot then Team B fast breaked back down and threw the ball out of bounds. This is when we realized we had them lined up the wrong way. We came together and I decided the ball should be out at the spot which happen to be under team A's basket of course Coach B thought that the ball should come back to half court. It is my interpretation that when this occurs you correct the error and take the ball at the position where play was stopped. Someone please let me know if we were correct.

David B Sat Jan 10, 2004 09:26am

Continue play
 
Just let them continue to play, but at the right basket.

No need to change a throw-in spot etc.,

Similiar to the correctable error in which there was a change to team possession and play continues etc.,

Next time though, your partner and you need to take a little more time and make sure that you have five players from each team, and that you are going the right direction.

No need to be in a hurry.

Thanks
David

mick Sat Jan 10, 2004 09:37am

Ouch!
 
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Originally posted by flsh224
Had an overtime game last night in which we and they lined up in the wrong direction to start the overtime. Team A got the tip and went down and missed the shot then Team B fast breaked back down and threw the ball out of bounds. This is when we realized we had them lined up the wrong way. We came together and I decided the ball should be out at the spot which happen to be under team A's basket of course Coach B thought that the ball should come back to half court. It is my interpretation that when this occurs you correct the error and take the ball at the position where play was stopped. Someone please let me know if we were correct.
fish224,
I would administer the throw-in on the other end of the court and get them going in the proper direction with no advantage to either team.
mick

rainmaker Sat Jan 10, 2004 12:06pm

Re: Ouch!
 
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Originally posted by mick
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Originally posted by flsh224
Had an overtime game last night in which we and they lined up in the wrong direction to start the overtime. Team A got the tip and went down and missed the shot then Team B fast breaked back down and threw the ball out of bounds. This is when we realized we had them lined up the wrong way. We came together and I decided the ball should be out at the spot which happen to be under team A's basket of course Coach B thought that the ball should come back to half court. It is my interpretation that when this occurs you correct the error and take the ball at the position where play was stopped. Someone please let me know if we were correct.
fish224,
I would administer the throw-in on the other end of the court and get them going in the proper direction with no advantage to either team.
mick

This is what I've seen done. I, of course, have never made such a thoughtless mistake. And if you believe that, I've got some land you can buy real cheap in Florida...

BktBallRef Sat Jan 10, 2004 12:33pm

While going to the other end and putting the ball in play may seem like the right thing to do, it's not supported by rule. In the case play where this is addressed, it says nothing about going to the other end of the floor to inbound the ball.

mick Sat Jan 10, 2004 01:29pm

In the eye of this be older....
 
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
While going to the other end and putting the ball in play may seem like the right thing to do, it's not supported by rule. In the case play where this is addressed, it says nothing about going to the other end of the floor to inbound the ball.
"A player or team should not be permitted an advantage which is not intended by a rule." - The Intent and Purpose of the rules.

BktBallRef Sat Jan 10, 2004 01:54pm

Re: In the eye of this be older....
 
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Originally posted by mick
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
While going to the other end and putting the ball in play may seem like the right thing to do, it's not supported by rule. In the case play where this is addressed, it says nothing about going to the other end of the floor to inbound the ball.
"A player or team should not be permitted an advantage which is not intended by a rule." - The Intent and Purpose of the rules.

Is that the best you got? :)

David B Sat Jan 10, 2004 02:06pm

Re: In the eye of this be older....
 
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Originally posted by mick
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
While going to the other end and putting the ball in play may seem like the right thing to do, it's not supported by rule. In the case play where this is addressed, it says nothing about going to the other end of the floor to inbound the ball.
"A player or team should not be permitted an advantage which is not intended by a rule." - The Intent and Purpose of the rules.

The case play says to continue as you were. Except at the correct baskets.

If there was an advantage etc., so be it.

Thanks
David

mick Sat Jan 10, 2004 02:22pm

Re: Re: In the eye of this be older....
 
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by mick
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
While going to the other end and putting the ball in play may seem like the right thing to do, it's not supported by rule. In the case play where this is addressed, it says nothing about going to the other end of the floor to inbound the ball.
"A player or team should not be permitted an advantage which is <font color = red>not intended by a rule</font>." - The Intent and Purpose of the rules.

Is that the best you got? :)

Need I say that putting the ball in play in A's front court gives A a distinct advantage (<I>not intended by a rule</I>) as opposed to putting the ball in play in A's backcourt? :)
mick



BktBallRef Sat Jan 10, 2004 02:29pm

Yeah but when there's a case play that's directly on point, I don't think we can ignore it. http://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/cold.gif

mick Sat Jan 10, 2004 02:29pm

Re: Re: In the eye of this be older....
 
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Originally posted by David B

The case play says to continue as you were. Except at the correct baskets.

If there was an advantage etc., so be it.

Thanks
David

<U>My case book says</U>: <LI>"Once the mistake is recognized, play shall continue with each team attempting to score in its own basket."

David,
We have different case books. ...Or I am looking at the wrong case (4.5.4).
mick



BktBallRef Sat Jan 10, 2004 02:34pm

Re: Re: Re: In the eye of this be older....
 
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Originally posted by mick
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Originally posted by David B

The case play says to continue as you were. Except at the correct baskets.

If there was an advantage etc., so be it.

Thanks
David

<U>My case book says</U>: <LI>"Once the mistake is recognized, play shall continue with each team attempting to score in its own basket."

David,
We have different case books. ...Or I am looking at the wrong case (4.5.4).
mick

mick,

That's what it says.

That's all it says. :)

Sign me,

http://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/cold.gif

mick Sat Jan 10, 2004 02:35pm

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
Yeah but when there's a case play that's directly on point, I don't think we can ignore it. http://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/cold.gif
BktBallRef,
I'm sorry.
I do not intentionally ignore many rules or cases.
Which case case is that?
I didn't see it.
mick

mick Sat Jan 10, 2004 02:49pm

I was wrong.
 
After further review (I looked in the comic book) I will now change my stance:

From<U> Basketball Simplified and Illustrated</U> (pg.23):

" ...and the game will resume from the point of interruption with both teams instructed to go the right way."

mick
Too soon old. Too late smart.

BktBallRef Sat Jan 10, 2004 02:56pm

http://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/thumbs.gif

mick Sat Jan 10, 2004 03:01pm

Glad I found it first.
I've already got enough holes in this body.
Didn't need another one ripped. :cool:


Jurassic Referee Sat Jan 10, 2004 03:27pm

Whine, whine, whine....
 
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
[/B]
Sign me,

http://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/cold.gif

[/QUOTE]I just checked the Fayettville weather. It's 32 degrees there right now . It's supposed to be going up to around 54 by Monday. Do you really think that Mick is gonna feel sorry for poor ol' Tony? Not freaking likely! Hell, he's got penguins in his back yard.

BktBallRef Sat Jan 10, 2004 03:53pm

Yes, but...

...the jet stream is blowin' from mick's house down to mine.

...the wind is out of the NNE at 15 mpg with gusts up to 30 mph.

...it's supposed to be 14 F tonight.

...and, mick is used to it to having penguins U.P there.

...and we ain't.

http://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/cold.gifhttp://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/cold.gifhttp://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/cold.gifhttp://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/cold.gifhttp://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/cold.gif of us at my house!

Jay R Sat Jan 10, 2004 03:54pm

It was -40 degrees two nights ago. If your wondering if that's Fahrenheit or Celsius, it doesn't matter. -40 is where the two scales come back together. I've been warming up my car for twenty minutes in the morning before I leave. My ride to work is ten minutes. I've gotta move to a warmer climate.

BktBallRef Sat Jan 10, 2004 03:59pm

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Originally posted by Jay R
It was -40 degrees two nights ago. If your wondering if that's Fahrenheit or Celsius, it doesn't matter. -40 is where the two scales come back together. I've been warming up my car for twenty minutes in the morning before I leave. My ride to work is ten minutes. I've gotta move to a warmer climate.
Yeah, like North Dakota! ;)

Jurassic Referee Sat Jan 10, 2004 04:22pm

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
Yes, but...

...the jet stream is blowin' from mick's house down to mine.

...the wind is out of the NNE at 15 mpg with gusts up to 30 mph.

...it's supposed to be 14 F tonight.

...and, mick is used to it to having penguins U.P there.

...and we ain't.


Rest assured that your sad tale will be given all of the consideration that it deserves.
http://www.gifs.net/animate/nsmail4k.gif

Did I mention that I saw another robin this morning?

David B Sat Jan 10, 2004 04:57pm

Re: I was wrong.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by mick
After further review (I looked in the comic book) I will now change my stance:

From<U> Basketball Simplified and Illustrated</U> (pg.23):

" ...and the game will resume from the point of interruption with both teams instructed to go the right way."

mick
Too soon old. Too late smart.

That's what i thought upon my first reading of the case play also. I was heading to a birthday party for my son and looked in my rule book and its also in the rule book...

dont remember the exact rule but it says to resume from the point of interupption or something to that effect.

Anyway at least we got it right now.

Thanks
David

mick Sat Jan 10, 2004 05:07pm

Re: Re: I was wrong.
 
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Originally posted by David B
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Originally posted by mick

mick
Too soon old. Too late smart.

...heading to a birthday party for my son ....

56 was bad enough, turned 57 today.
Oldier, coldier, moldier, no robins ... hopin' for a cake. ;)

Jurassic Referee Sat Jan 10, 2004 06:14pm

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Originally posted by mick
[/B]
56 was bad enough, turned 57 today.
Oldier, coldier, moldier, no robins ... hopin' for a cake. [/B][/QUOTE]Happy Birthday, Mick!!

Your robin's on the way.

Woodee Sat Jan 10, 2004 09:53pm

Re: Re: Re: I was wrong.
 
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Originally posted by mick
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Originally posted by David B
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Originally posted by mick

mick
Too soon old. Too late smart.

...heading to a birthday party for my son ....

56 was bad enough, turned 57 today.
Oldier, coldier, moldier, no robins ... hopin' for a cake. ;)


Happy B-Day!!

rainmaker Sat Jan 10, 2004 11:09pm

Re: Re: Re: I was wrong.
 
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Originally posted by mick
.. turned 57 today.
Oldier, coldier, moldier, no robins ... hopin' for a cake. ;)

Happy Birthday! What age is it when you quit making it past the division line on trail? ...when you quit clearing the 3-point line to report from lead? ...when the players look more like your grandkids, and less like your kids? ...when you don't have enough hair left to fasten the rug to?

BigJoe Sun Jan 11, 2004 12:13pm

Mick,

U.P. there you will see your robin on June 1. Over here in Northern MN. we will see ours on the Fourth of July! Say hi to Clyde for me if you see him. Tell him the perch are biting!

mick Sun Jan 11, 2004 03:46pm

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Originally posted by BigJoe
Mick,

U.P. there you will see your robin on June 1. Over here in Northern MN. we will see ours on the Fourth of July! Say hi to Clyde for me if you see him. Tell him the perch are biting!

Sure will, Big Joe !
Any size to 'em?
mick
(...First breath was in Eveleth.)


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