Okay am I the only one who thinks this????

I think that NFHS should drop the stop the clock signal and we just point the direction out of bounds or go right to the calls (e.g. jump,travel). Similar to the NCAA.

Next, I think that if a coach has a 15 point lead in the fourth and calls a time out (she told my partner that she was going to use every single time out) it should be a "T".

Why? She's perfectly within her coaching rights to do that. There's no rule against it, and we aren't supposed to make up our own rules.

#1, there's no reason to give the stop the clock signal on a held ball, you simply give the jump ball signal.

#2, it will happen eventually but not yet. Just be patient.

Sounds to me like you guys pissed her off. Is that what happened? In any case, I agree with JR. There her TOs, she can use them or not use them if she wants to. You can't give her a T because she uses a TO when she's up by 15. That's ridicurous. :)

I was not aware the ncaa "dropped" (eliminated?) the stop clock signal. It's optional in mens on OOB, I believe women do not do it for OOB.

This thread is posted as "tongue in cheek thought".

This was a great game. Coach was in a joking mood but said I'm going to use all of them.....No ill will or hard feeling at all even from the coach that was 15 down.

These are just my thoughts. I had no actual problem with her using her time outs. Just thought There out to be a rule.

Then you might want to include a :) so we won't think you're mental. ;)

I am mental!!!! I referee basketball for fun!!!!!

I'm sure your local schools will be upset with me for mentioning it, but around here we do it for money. ;)

You get paid to ref!!!!!!!!!! WOW!! I see a great topic for our next association meeting!!

Yeah and we're all getting rich doing it too!!!!

For an out-of-bounds call, the "stop clock" is becoming "optional" for me. :cool:
mick

It'll happen in the year that they can't think of anymore rules revision, so that they may have a reason to issue more rulebooks.

I reffed with a guy in a tournament last week. Everytime there was a held ball, he stopped the clock with arm straight up, then did this overzealous thumbs up signal. It looked really stupid (especially the stop clock part). Unfortunately, it was a girls Jr High game so he had many opportunities to look stupid (IMO).

The only mechanic that bugs me is standing on the far blocks during time outs. I am finding this kind of awkward
(guess it hasn't become second nature yet). Besides, most of the guys I work with either don't seem know about this or are ignoring it.
Glad they got rid of the "bird dog."

nine01c,
You stay there !
Don't let "them" pull you down.
mick

We get paid mileage in some conferences here. Biggest check I've seen this season was $97 for a varsity game. Smallest check was $50 for a varsity game.

I was emailing a guy who does nothing but officiate amateur youth and adult sports. No idea how he can do it -- or live on it, actually.

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Isn't the reason for the stop clock signal for the extremely loud situation when the whistle might not be heard? If so I don't see how you can drop this signal or why you would be more likely to do so for out of bounds than for any other call. Having said all this I believe that there are some who function as timekeepers that probably do not even know what the raised hand means.

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Well when I watch TV games, they for some reason seem to not have any problems raising their hands in those games. And I can imagine that the noise is a bit louder than most of us will ever experience. The whistle stops the clock, not the signal.

Peace

When I was coaching, the opposing coach got upset when I had a big lead and called a timeout with a minute to go.

The reason I called the timeout was to get my 16th player into the game. I sent him to the scorer's table with almost 3 minutes left and couldn't get a whistle.

Also, it may be necessary for the coach to call a timeout to instruct the subs that have just gone in at the end of the game.

Don't forget the kids are the reason we are out there.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by JRutledge

Quote:

The whistle stops the clock, not the signal.

I agree, and I think that this is the point I was making in a roundabout way, but the hand up supplements the whistle in case of excessive noise. This is the theory, is it not?
If so, what has changed to make that theory less applicable now and why do some say that this signal could/will be dropped? I understand about PT, (sorta) but we won't see that at high schools around here in my lifetime.

It might be the theory.
 

It might be, but things change. It worked at the other levels, even before the Precision Timing System was made popular. And there are many places that still do not use it. All the mechanics state at the college level is that you do not need it for out of bounds plays. But I still see it used on travels and other violations.

Peace

Forksref,
Well, I'm out there to relieve stress, ...to blow the stink off.
I agree with your dealing with those subs. I see it quite a bit on my floors, too. Yet don't forget that there was a tongue-cheeky thing goin' on here. ;)
mick

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Fox40? Precision Time?

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Yeah, I guess this is quite a dramatic improvement over the old acme thunderer.

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Not always perfect.

The FOX 40 is only loud if you blow it right. If you're off, you get a teeny sound.

Also, the one game where I got to use PTS, I noticed that the clock wasn't stopping on the whistle with one of the refs. I called her over during a timeout, and we realized the microphone had slipped just enough that it couldn't pick up her whistle (or the whistle tone was off). That "safety" feature could have caused more problems at the end of the game than a fan's whistle.