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Smoothieking Tue Jan 06, 2004 09:39am

I attended the Delaware State/Charlotte game on Dec. 30. Early in the 1st half, a Charlotte player was assessed a "T" for slapping the backboard following a dunk. Delaware State shot 2 free throws and the game proceeded. No team foul was assessed to Charlotte, and no personal foul was given to the offending Charlotte player. I talked with the person who posts fouls on the scoreboard in the arena after the game, and he said the official scorer, who appearantly has 17 years of experience, told him that the "T" didn't count either towards the team foul count, or towards that players' personal foul count. I know in HS this type of "T" would be unsporting, and both the team and the player would accrue a foul. Is this not the case in NCAA?

Thanks in advance/

ChuckElias Tue Jan 06, 2004 09:56am

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Originally posted by Smoothieking
Is this not the case in NCAA?
The experienced official scorer was indeed correct. It's an indirect T, which does not count toward the team total or toward the player's 5 fouls to be DQ'd.

Lotto Tue Jan 06, 2004 11:33am

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
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Originally posted by Smoothieking
Is this not the case in NCAA?
The experienced official scorer was indeed correct. It's an indirect T, which does not count toward the team total or toward the player's 5 fouls to be DQ'd.

True for NCAA women as well! ;)

BktBallRef Tue Jan 06, 2004 11:53am

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Originally posted by Lotto
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Originally posted by ChuckElias
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Originally posted by Smoothieking
Is this not the case in NCAA?
The experienced official scorer was indeed correct. It's an indirect T, which does not count toward the team total or toward the player's 5 fouls to be DQ'd.

True for NCAA women as well! ;)

So, if a woman slaps the backboard, it's an indirect T? ;)

I'm just glad to hear that it was called. :)

rcwilco Tue Jan 06, 2004 12:42pm

But would this necessarily be an "unsportsmanship" T or just a T. Minor point but I am curious as I don't think of this as anything more than a T.

Dan_ref Tue Jan 06, 2004 12:47pm

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by Lotto
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Originally posted by ChuckElias
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Originally posted by Smoothieking
Is this not the case in NCAA?
The experienced official scorer was indeed correct. It's an indirect T, which does not count toward the team total or toward the player's 5 fouls to be DQ'd.

True for NCAA women as well! ;)

So, if a woman slaps the backboard, it's an indirect T? ;)

I'm just glad to hear that it was called. :)

Say....isn't there a term for when a woman slaps something....?

Maybe JR can help out when he checks in...

:p

rainmaker Tue Jan 06, 2004 12:58pm

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Originally posted by Dan_ref
Say....isn't there a term for when a woman slaps something....?

Maybe JR can help out when he checks in...

:p

Dan, don't need JR, since my grandmother told me this a long time ago. If the recipient is under 18 and the legal ward of the woman, it's called discipline. If the relationship is, shall we say, otherwise, it's called porn.

ChuckElias Tue Jan 06, 2004 02:01pm

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Originally posted by rcwilco
But would this necessarily be an "unsportsmanship" T or just a T. Minor point but I am curious as I don't think of this as anything more than a T.
Ron, in NCAA slapping the backboard would be an indirect technical and indirects are never for unsporting behavior. Unsporting technicals are directly charged to the offender. An unsporting T counts as a team foul and toward the offenders 5 fouls for being DQ'd. As I noted above, an indirect T doesn't count against the players 5 or toward the team total.

In HS, unsporting fouls are mentioned (as opposed to delay technicals, for example), but the distinction is irrelevant as the penalty for each technical is the same (unless judged to be flagrant).

Dan_ref Tue Jan 06, 2004 02:05pm

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Originally posted by rainmaker
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Originally posted by Dan_ref
Say....isn't there a term for when a woman slaps something....?

Maybe JR can help out when he checks in...

:p

Dan, don't need JR, since my grandmother told me this a long time ago. If the recipient is under 18 and the legal ward of the woman, it's called discipline. If the relationship is, shall we say, otherwise, it's called porn.

Whoa. Not exactly what I had in mind. I was thinking of somethng that rhymes with slapping my cousin Mitch.

bob jenkins Tue Jan 06, 2004 02:16pm

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Originally posted by Dan_ref


Whoa. Not exactly what I had in mind. I was thinking of somethng that rhymes with slapping my cousin Mitch.

Slapping your cousin Rich?
Slapping your cousin in a ditch?
Slapping your cousin with a hitch?
Slapping your cousin in a niche? (depending on how it's pronounced, of course)
Slapping your cousin on the pitch?
Slapping your cousin, the witch?
Slapping your cousin, who has an itch?
Slapping your cousin, then sewing a stitch?



Back In The Saddle Tue Jan 06, 2004 03:09pm

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Originally posted by rainmaker
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Originally posted by Dan_ref
Say....isn't there a term for when a woman slaps something....?

Maybe JR can help out when he checks in...

:p

Dan, don't need JR, since my grandmother told me this a long time ago. If the recipient is under 18 and the legal ward of the woman, it's called discipline. If the relationship is, shall we say, otherwise, it's called porn.

:eek:

Dan_ref Tue Jan 06, 2004 04:16pm

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Originally posted by bob jenkins
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Originally posted by Dan_ref


Whoa. Not exactly what I had in mind. I was thinking of somethng that rhymes with slapping my cousin Mitch.

Slapping your cousin Rich?
Slapping your cousin in a ditch?
Slapping your cousin with a hitch?
Slapping your cousin in a niche? (depending on how it's pronounced, of course)
Slapping your cousin on the pitch?
Slapping your cousin, the witch?
Slapping your cousin, who has an itch?
Slapping your cousin, then sewing a stitch?



I do not like my cousin Mitch
I do not like that sonofa*****
I do not like him in the ditch
I do not like him on the pitch
I do not like him with a witch
I'd like to see him get an itch
I do not like him in a niche
I'd like the doc to give him a stitch
I do not like my cousin Mitch
I'd like to slap him like a b1tch.

Apologies to Dr Seuss

ChuckElias Tue Jan 06, 2004 04:18pm

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Originally posted by Dan_ref
Apologies to Dr Seuss
Hey, if Mike Myers and Jim Carrey didn't apologize, why should you?


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