Base-line seal/screen

[barknoll]

Can someone please explain any detail in what an official is looking for in calling a baseline screen/seal illegal

Against a zone defense, offensive player behind defender---posting up wide, if player holds position and allows wing to dribble drive underneath for layup----why / what would cause a call for illegal screen other than if referee would say moving feet or a hold?

Thanks in advance---any help appreciated

would it help for the offensive player to show a high target hand for potential pass as long as possible or to show the hands low as in looking for possible bounce pass???/

had the number 2 team in state do this several times against us early in season with no call----can't beat them--join em'

[RookieDude]

What would cause an illegal screen to be called on your post player...

is having your post player come up behind the defender without giving him a step backwards. Rule 4-39-4

also, if your post player is screening a moving opponent, he must allow the opponent time and distance to avoid contact. The distance need not be more than two strides. Rule 4-39-5

Many veteran officials tell me that we need to be more aware of moving screens by watching the off ball stuff.

Check out Rule 4-39, it talks about Screening.

RD

[Edited by RookieDude on Jan 4th, 2004 at 01:01 AM]

[barknoll]

If the wing player has ball, the baseline offensive player posts up behind defender and the wing actually takes a look at a lob pass (ball fake minimum) to help set up the screen, this way the defender in all likly hood initiates the contact and/or actually wants the contact....

Am I correct that this would negate the concerns you listed in your post #2 in this thread

If the items in Rule 4-39 are looked at, then numerous backscreens set too tight should be called, such as a post player up on the elbows, setting a backscreen on the gaurd in a 2/3 zone to help the reversal.........and they should
be alot more visable.........
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[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by barknoll
If the wing player has ball, the baseline offensive player posts up behind defender and the wing actually takes a look at a lob pass (ball fake minimum) to help set up the screen, this way the defender in all likly hood initiates the contact and/or actually wants the contact....

Am I correct that this would negate the concerns you listed in your post #2 in this thread

A player setting an illegal screen is responsible for any illegal contact. If I understand your situation the answer is no, the defender initiating contact does not get the illegal screener off the hook. IMO the easist illegal screens to call are when the screener steps into the defenders path illegally and the defender runs into the illegal screen.

If the items in Rule 4-39 are looked at, then numerous backscreens set too tight should be called, such as a post player up on the elbows, setting a backscreen on the gaurd in a 2/3 zone to help the reversal.........and they should
be alot more visable.........
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Yes, there are lots of things in 4-39 but remember 2 things:

- advantage/disadvantage still applies
- not all screens are seen if there are only 2 officials on the floor.

[barknoll]

from NFHS home page:http://www.nfhs.org/Sports/basketball_emphasis.htm

points of emphasis 2003/4:

B. Screening:

1. A legal screener must be stationary prior to contact with hands and arms close to the body. When these two requirements are not met, and when there is sufficient contact delivered by the screener to bump, slow or displace, it is a foul on the screener.

2. When a screen is blind, or a rear screen, it is only legal when the screened player is allowed a normal step backward. The screened player must then make a legitimate attempt to get around a legal screen without forcing rough or "displacing" contact. This type of contact must result in a foul on the screened player.

3. When a screen is set in view of an opposing player, the screener can get as close as he or she wishes in a legal stationary position. The burden is on the screened player to avoid contact that may result in a foul.

.......I would have to interpret as: (#3)
If a defender makes a motion to defend the post, you could presume "the screen was set in view of the defender" at that point, thus if the wing player forced the defender to deny a potential lob pass, the the offensive post player then continued to just hold position---the wing player could then drive baseline and or pick/roll....

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by barknoll
Can someone please explain any detail in what an official is looking for in calling a baseline screen/seal illegal

Against a zone defense, offensive player behind defender---posting up wide, if player holds position and allows wing to dribble drive underneath for layup----why / what would cause a call for illegal screen other than if referee would say moving feet or a hold?

Thanks in advance---any help appreciated

would it help for the offensive player to show a high target hand for potential pass as long as possible or to show the hands low as in looking for possible bounce pass???/

had the number 2 team in state do this several times against us early in season with no call----can't beat them--join em'

The offense frequently moves to stop the post-defender from providing help, or holds out his/her arms, or takes a wider than normal stance...

Any of these will get a call by me.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by barknoll



3. When a screen is set in view of an opposing player, the screener can get as close as he or she wishes in a legal stationary position. The burden is on the screened player to avoid contact that may result in a foul.

.......I would have to interpret as: (#3)
If a defender makes a motion to defend the post, you could presume "the screen was set in view of the defender" at that point, thus if the wing player forced the defender to deny a potential lob pass, the the offensive post player then continued to just hold position---the wing player could then drive baseline and or pick/roll....

I'm not sure what you're getting at with your interp but #3 is a legal screen so the screened player *might* be responsible for contact, depeneding on what happens next (the screener might still hold or chuck the defender as he tries to get by). If the screen is not legal then the screener is responsible, as I said earlier.