Are we required to allow for lag time? Coach request TO. I look at clock and whistle. Another sec. goes off the clock. Am I not allowed to put one sec. back on the clock?

The rulebook allows for up to 1 second lag time. We do not make corrections for anything up to and including 1 second. Anything over 1 second is considered excessive and may be corrected if you have absolute knowledge (ie looking at the clock).

Grail

Yes. If 1 second or less expires from the time you blow the whistle, no time should be restored. You are not permitted to put time back.

If you whistle for a timeout (or foul or violation) with < 1.0 seconds left and the clock doesn't get stopped before the horn sounds, the quarter/game is over (after any merited FTs are taken).

It's based on the time of the whistle...not when the coach requests it.

Those merited FTs are only taken at the end of the game if the outcome of the game can be changed by them being taken. Otherwise end of game no FTs.

Where does it say this in the rule book?

It doesn't. It's addressed in the case book. 5.10.1 SITUATION B & Comment

OK, here we go again. "lag or reaction". Under 5.10.1 situation B: COMMENT: One second (or) the "reaction" time is interpreted to have elapsed from the time the signal was made until the official glanced at the clock. I read this to say I may put the time "I" saw on the clock.

I would take into consideration the time of game. If it is the end of the game and one team is decidedly ahead or in the middle of the game I leave it as just timers reaction time. If it is a two point game and down to the final seconds I would go with what I saw on the clock and have the time added back.

I agree SteveF, I'm not talking phylosophy, just rules.

I think it all boils down to when you see the clock.

If you are looking at the clock when you blow the whistle, you may see upto 1 second tick away and have nothing to correct.

If you blow the whistle, then look to the clock. Any time that rolls off will be excessive since by the time you stop the whistle, locate the clock, focus on the time, and register what it says, 1 second has elapsed.

The only part I will disagree is, you say "1 second has elapsed". Many times when I whistle or my partner whistles, I look at the clock. I'm confident in many cases, it does not take me 1 second.

I just want to add that if you do put time back on the clock, you do not allow for lag time. That is, if you know it should read 1:12 but is down to 1:08, you reset it to 1:12 not 1:11 to allow for the once second lag. I don't think anyone was saying that, I just wanted to clarify for the lurkers.

Mregor

If you're looking at the clock, blow your whistle at the 1:00 mark and the clock doesn't stop until :58 seconds, you can only reset the clock to :59 seconds.

If you're not looking at the clock, blow your whistle, then turn to see the clock at the :59 second mark and the clock doesn't stop until :58 seconds, you can reset the clock to :59 seconds.

It's considered that 1 second lapsed between the whistle and the official turning and seeing the clock. If you aren't looking at the clock when the whistle sounds, you can reset it to what it was when you did look. If you're looking at it, you must allow 1 second of lag time.

I will chime in..
Lag time is only for stopping the clock. This type of play happens as much as the stopping. You chop thime in and head up the floor but the clock does not start. You blow you whistel to reset the clock you make an exact correction.

Example Clock is at 00:58 and you get to mid court and clock has not started. You blow you whistle and your count is at 8 seconds.Clock is set to :50. If they start it late and you fix it. fix it right.

That's contrary to what I just posted above. I don't have my books with me, but it is my understanding that if you have definite knowledge of the time that should be on the clock, you reset it to that time if there is more than a 1 second difference (the allowed lag). You don't allow for the lag when making the reset. In your situation, I would reset it to 1:00. However, I could be wrong; there's a first time for everything.:D

Mregor

This used to be true, Tony, but the FED changed the case play (and it may have been an "unnanounced" change) a couple of years ago.

If the timer stops the clock w/in one second, then no correction can be made. But, if the timer fails to stop the clock w/in one second, then the full time is put back on the clock.

The higher up I hear advice from, the more I hear 'correct every timing mistake - no matter when it happens, no matter how small.' While a blowout with 0.4 seconds left can be left uncorrected, a timing mistake in the middle of a game often can affect the game.

Of course, each team can adjust to the 1-2 fewer seconds, but you still see shot clocks in NCAA being adjusted (often incorrectly, in my opinion) up or down one second when the clock is in the 33-35 range - still plenty of time for the team to adjust to having less than 35.

This is correct. CB 5.10.1 Sit. D

If I am reading the books correctly. If you blow at 1:00 and the clock stops at 0:59 that is good. If the clock doesn't stop until 0:58 that is correctable to 1:00 because in exceeds the 0:01 lag time if you indeed looked at the clock and saw 1:00 when you blew. Personnally I look at the game and shot clock each time my partner(s) or I blow and play a little game management. If the coach or crowd don't react and the game is not close let the clock stand unless it is a gross error.

Don't get me wrong if more than a couple of seconds are run off the clock in error and I know the proper time to adjust I would also put it back. Just don't think the 2 or 3 seconds hurt early in the game and might just be the timekeepers reaction time. They are probably starting the clock late sometimes and it will work itself out. But at the end of the game there is no time for it to work itself out IMHO.

Ok, here's a little wrench:

We had a discussion here in our local association where I was proven correct only by me contacting the manufacturer of the scoreclocks.

Around here in southern Ontario, the Nevco scoreclocks are very popular. Not sure if they're anywhere to be found in the US. Upon the game starting, the clock immediately changes to 7:59 - I mean right after time is started. In effect, what is not shown are the tenths of a second (until less than a minute) - but they still exist.

So, it is possible that by "adding" a second, you're actually only adding one-tenth of a second, because the clock already has 9-tenths of a second pending.

Yes sir, you're correct. I kept looking for that play but didn't go to the last one under 5.10.