weird push play

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by Tim Roden
Just for the fun of it. Why not call a multiple foul. Still two shots but both players get credited with a foul.

Multiple foul? What's that? I thought they were like ghosts - they didn't exist :-)

If anything, I'd say false multiple - because B2's action was not a personal foul.

In reality, I'd probably just call an intentional on B2, and say B1's contact was incidental.

[mick]

Originally posted by Mark Dexter

Multiple foul? What's that? I thought they were like ghosts - they didn't exist :-)

If anything, I'd say false multiple - because B2's action was not a personal foul.

In reality, I'd probably just call an intentional on B2, and say B1's contact was incidental.

... send B1 to the line?
mick

[Mark Dexter]

No, send A1 to the line.

[mick]

Originally posted by Mark Dexter
No, send A1 to the line.

Mark,
I couldn't do that without calling the foul on the guy that hit him.
Oh, well....
mick

[Mark Dexter]

Similarly, I couldn't call a foul on a player when the foul was caused by another player.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by Mark Dexter
Similarly, I couldn't call a foul on a player when the foul was caused by another player.

They're teammates. If you push me and I get a foul, you can be sure that I'll be on your butt not to do it again.

From time to time, teammates bump into each other. If contact between two teammates causes one of them to foul an opponent, you have no choice but to call the foul on the kid who contacted the opponent. You can't call a foul on B2. He made no contact with A1. To think that you can is just silly.

[Edited by BktBallRef on Nov 26th, 2000 at 11:58 PM]

[PAULK1]

I agree that if it was accidental the foul should go
to the player that contacted the shooter. When you get
to where a player is purposely pushing team mates into
the opposition you now have a more than potentally dangerous situation. This must be stopped immediately! To not call
an unsportsman like T in this situation is just silly.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by PAULK1
I agree that if it was accidental the foul should go
to the player that contacted the shooter. When you get
to where a player is purposely pushing team mates into
the opposition you now have a more than potentally dangerous situation. This must be stopped immediately! To not call an unsportsmanlike T in this situation is just silly.

I think we agree. I don't think we're talking about an unsportsmanlike sitch here. The original post never said anything about the play being unsporting. But talk of a multiple foul or calling the foul on B2 has no foundation.

[Bart Tyson]

I agree with mick, I also would let B2 know i could and will next time call a T.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Bart Tyson
I agree with mick, I also would let B2 know i could and will next time call a T.

A T for what? You can't T stupid play.

[mick]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

A T for what? You can't T stupid play.

C'mon Dan,
All Technical fouls require a certain amount of stupidity.
mick

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by mick

C'mon Dan,
All Technical fouls require a certain amount of stupidity.
mick

Yep, on 1 end or the other!

[Bart Tyson]

Dan_Ref; When the player pushes the 1st. time and you warn him and then does it again then i believe this to be unsporting and thus the "T". I suppose there are many solutions. Are you saying this is not unsporting?

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by Bart Tyson
Dan_Ref; When the player pushes the 1st. time and you warn him and then does it again then i believe this to be unsporting and thus the "T". I suppose there are many solutions. Are you saying this is not unsporting?

A pushing an opponent during a live ball is a foul or an intentional foul. Pushing a teammate during a live ball play is not a foul. If he's pushes the teammate into an opponent during a dead ball, we have something different.

How can you say that you're going to call if a player pushes a second time? Players push all the time. This entire discussion has evolved into a mixed bag of semantics and distortions. To answer your question, no, it wasn't unsporting. The push wasn't part of a fight, a dead ball sitch or anything else flagrant or unsporting. It's simply a player who pushed a teammate during the course of a live ball play. The teammate happened to fall into an opponent. Fine! Call a foul on A1 on be done with it.

And don't tell players what you're going to do if they do something again. Talk to the coach if need be or handle it. But don't talk to kids like they're 4 year olds.

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by BktBallRef

To answer your question, no, it wasn't unsporting. The push wasn't part of a fight, a dead ball sitch or anything else flagrant or unsporting. It's simply a player who pushed a teammate during the course of a live ball play.

And don't tell players what you're going to do if they do something again. Talk to the coach if need be or handle it.

BkBallRef -- Actually, I thought it was rather unsporting under the wording "making a mockery of the game". It looked intentional to me, one of those stunts that an eighth grader would think might be cute. I didn't think to was simply a push.

I do agree about talking to the coach. I don't expect there are any coaches that like their kids to make up the plays, and if I said something to the coach, I expect that would be an end to it. If I didn't call the foul (which I didn't) I should have at least talked to the coach.

Oh, well, "tommorow is another day"!

[Edited by rainmaker on Nov 28th, 2000 at 09:33 AM]