david -- players in your games don't call fouls? This happens to me in almost every game. Thankfully, no one listens to them...

tutall is going to be "calling" that foul plenty when the handcheck goes to his disadvantage. He only wants the rule changed because right now, he doesn't feel it against him much.

It depends on what rule you want to enforce. If it is not a varsity game I would let it go.

Rainmaker,

Just checked back on this thread. Good Point! I'd be hard pressed to think of a game where this didn't happen. To tutall's credit, being here and taking in the chat is more than most players are willing to do.

Someday, maybe he will be one of the many ex-players who chose to continue to be a part of the game by putting on the stripes. I'm certain his opinion may be subject to change at that point--or sometime thereafter.

hey guys... was searching through an archive and came across this. since this post i have unlaced the shoes and have become a licensed IHSAA official. I have started mainly with junior varsity and freshman games although i have done a few outside the IHSAA in summer tourneys etc... i still see the call the same way. Looking from the outside in i can see why most refs call those fouls as most of the time they look at lot more harmful than they really are. I choose most of the time not to call anything unless as i stated before it impedes progress to the basket which then obviously it has to be called. I hope to be much more active on this forum as i forgot about it and decided to head back.

as far as the noisemakers go... from the official viewpoint... they are very obnoxious

Oh, my, gosh!! Not one in a thousand does this. Snaps to you, tutall, for taking the plunge. Keep posting here. We'll be happy to see your development.

What you'll see more and more as you step back from playing is that the hand-check has more effect than can be seen. If it didn't, players wouldn't do it! It's a lot more important than you now realize, and you'll start to see that as you become more objective.

And still illegal, a year and a half later.

Was reading this thread and wondered how the heck did he become an official that quick? Didn't realize the thread started in 2003 --Duh!

I was reading this thread and wondered why it had become active again after more than a year! :)

As a player, did you feel it was a disadvantage for you as someone was hand checking you? Why is it so hard for players to keep there hands off one another? If it was a co-ed game THEN I could see the advantage! Teach them well "jed-I reff"