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Wed Dec 17, 2003, 01:31pm
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near end of third quarter, one on two fast break. A1 tries to step between B1 and B2 and gets her feet tangled and falls to the ground. I whistle for travel. After quarter is over coach asks me to come over to explain only he doesn't really want me to explain. He asks me if I saw her get tripped, I told him she wasn't tripped. He says, "Hang on I think I have something here you need.", and pulls glasses out of his pocket. Now first off I thought that this was funny, however he was blatently asking for a technical foul without actually asking. I honored his request and nothing was ever said to me about it from. Easiest I have ever given.
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Wed Dec 17, 2003, 02:09pm
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I'm learning more and more
that in this situation (unless everyone in the gym saw this) I would have turned my back and walked away.
I'm also not sure I would have put myself in your situation in the first place. I've done it before and it many times has the opportunity to backfire. I've definitely been "too nice" to coaches and tried to work with them and am moving toward creating more space between me and them. You were there and understand the tone of the game so it's your call. I'm just telling you that I'm moving more toward creating distance between coaches and myself to avoid what happened here.
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Wed Dec 17, 2003, 02:19pm
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If you think it won't throw gas on a fire, you say, "Coach, they're not doing you any good, I can't see how they'd help me!" Otherwise, you can say, "What I saw was..." and then walk away. Or just laugh and say, "Good one, coach" and walk away. If they're asking for a T, and you can pull off a good calming down move, you gain a LOT of political points. At least, this is what I've seen in other refs. I'm not very good at it yet, myself.
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Wed Dec 17, 2003, 02:28pm
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I'm all for talking to coaches. We are all adults, though sometimes we (coaches and officials) don't act like it and should be able to hold an adult discussion. We are going to disagree often, part of bias and also because we as officials CAN'T get everything right. I, however, feel that talking to coaches lets them know that we understand, as best we can, where they are coming from and that we are doing the best job possible to make it a fair contest. I am looking forward to the NBA and NCAA method of rotating tableside after a foul is called. I believe that this will relieve some of the tensions between officials and coaches as they will be able to get an explanation immediately and will then know what to expect from us. I feel that going opposite is somewhat cowardly, like we are running and hiding from the coaches because we want to avoid anyone questioning our judgment. Our judgment is always under scrutiny and if on occasion we can explain our selves coaches will have a better understanding of what to expect. Don't get me wrong, going opposite has its benefits, I just feel going tablesides benefits outweigh going opposite.
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Wed Dec 17, 2003, 02:39pm
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If you felt comfortable enough, you could have put them on and walked out into your normal position...pretending that you were going to wear them the rest of the game!
Caution: Only try if you are confident it will make light of the situation!
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Wed Dec 17, 2003, 02:43pm
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Wed Dec 17, 2003, 04:43pm
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[Quote]originally posted by w_sohl
I told him she wasn't tripped.[Quote] I'm with rainmaker, "What I saw was"... or many Veteran's tell the Coach "I didn't see her get tripped." If you think you have to, add "Maybe I missed that" or "I might have kicked that one"...but that's usually only if you think you did "kick it". As far as the glasses routine...I don't know, there are a lot of variables. How has the Coach been acting through out the game? What is your rapport with the Coach? Did he do it to show you up? What is the level of play? Now, if a player pulls the glasses out of her socks, like a Sharpie or a cell phone, then whack her!  RD
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Wed Dec 17, 2003, 10:08pm
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Gotta keep the upper hand.
Humor or walk. Coach's try to get your attention for their teams benefit. Don't fall for it. Don't let your judgement get clouded pro or con. Remeber its about the kids in uniform - not the coach.
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Wed Dec 17, 2003, 10:16pm
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A T on a coach is never an isolated incident. NEVER! Theres usually so much more that leads up to it. Just for the glasses i'd prollly make some humor of it and tell the coach I'll work harder. Now if he's been ugly to me the whole game and did it to show me up i'd say no thank you sir and walk off.
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Wed Dec 17, 2003, 10:17pm
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If I tag a coach, I could give a crap whether he wanted it or not.
"Yeah, he wanted it, so I ignored him." Yeah, right. If he deserves it, he gets. I don't try to figure him out. I don't play those games.
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Wed Dec 17, 2003, 10:28pm
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I couldn't agree more BBR, there is more than enough to keep us busy without trying to decide what a coach is thinking....he either gets it or not, and it doesn't matter if he is "asking" for it or not...
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Wed Dec 17, 2003, 10:32pm
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