BI or GT

[rob.wilson]

Depends if the backboard or goal shakes or moves. If he is trying to block the ball, I would disregard it. But if he did it intentionally, I would call basket interference. Now if the ball is in the square and he touches it, then its automatically goaltending. My 2 cents.

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by rob.wilson
Depends if the backboard or goal shakes or moves. If he is trying to block the ball, I would disregard it. But if he did it intentionally, I would call basket interference. Now if the ball is in the square and he touches it, then its automatically goaltending. My 2 cents.

Rules references, please.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by rob.wilson
Depends if the backboard or goal shakes or moves. If he is trying to block the ball, I would disregard it. But if he did it intentionally, I would call basket interference.

And if you did call BI, you would be completely wrong. You really need to review the definition of basket interference. It's R9-11.

[rainmaker]

It has been so nice to coast along doing girls games and not have to worry about any of this! Even so, I have called the slapping the backboard thing once, at camp, and got snaps from the evaluator for it. So the discussion has been helpful, even for a "guurrlls" ref. The trick, folks, is to heed the words of Chuck, mick, bob, Tony and Jurassic. They know what they talkin' bout.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by rob.wilson
Depends if the backboard or goal shakes or moves. If he is trying to block the ball, I would disregard it. But if he did it intentionally, I would call basket interference. Now if the ball is in the square and he touches it, then its automatically goaltending. My 2 cents.

rob, I thought it was you and me against the world, but not if you're gonna make that call

[rob.wilson]

Chuck, I do think its us against the world! I will also add this statement too, if you go directly buy the rules, then the game would be stopped every second. Game management is also a big part of the game and if someone slaps the backboard and it shakes causing the ball the be dislodged from the rim, I will call BI. If the player slaps the backboard trying to get an advantage or just showing off, I will T him up! If you ask me, its all judgement! Thats my other 2 cents, now I am broke!

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by rob.wilson
Chuck, I do think its us against the world! I will also add this statement too, if you go directly buy the rules, then the game would be stopped every second. Game management is also a big part of the game and if someone slaps the backboard and it shakes causing the ball the be dislodged from the rim, I will call BI. If the player slaps the backboard trying to get an advantage or just showing off, I will T him up! If you ask me, its all judgement! Thats my other 2 cents, now I am broke!

This call has nothing to do with game management.

You'd have been better off using that $.02 to buy a rule book or go to a camp.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by rob.wilson
Game management is also a big part of the game and if someone slaps the backboard and it shakes causing the ball the be dislodged from the rim, I will call BI.

Do that, and I guarantee that you will have a great future behind you.

Why do you insist on making up your own rules? Aren't the ones in the NFHS rule book good enough for you?

[rob.wilson]

No need to get nasty about it, I was just giving my opinion...sorry if it has rubbed you the wrong way. I do follow the rules and I have a rule book and actually did excellent on the test. I guess from now on, i will just quote the rules and leave my opinion out of it. Sorry if I offended anyone.

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by rob.wilson
No need to get nasty about it, I was just giving my opinion...sorry if it has rubbed you the wrong way. I do follow the rules and I have a rule book and actually did excellent on the test. I guess from now on, i will just quote the rules and leave my opinion out of it. Sorry if I offended anyone.

Unless we're discussing what the rule *should be*, there's not much room for opinion on this question.

Slapping the backboard is either a T or it's nothing. It's never BI.

[rob.wilson]

Thanks for your input. But like I said, not need to get upset or pushy.

[rob.wilson]

Thanks for your input. But like I said, no need to get upset or pushy.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by rob.wilson
I will also add this statement too, if you go directly buy the rules, then the game would be stopped every second.

rob, that's just not true. The rules instruct us to call contact situations by the advantage/disadvantage principle. So even tho there is contact every second, that does not require us to stop the game every second.

Game management is also a big part of the game

True, but this is a rules question, and not a game management situation.

if someone slaps the backboard and it shakes causing the ball the be dislodged from the rim, I will call BI.

Then your call would be absolutely 100%, without question, without subject to interpretation, incorrect. I'm not being nasty, pushy, or anything else. But by rule, you are wrong. And if you make that call while being observed, I guarantee you will catch a boatload of grief for it. Heck, even if you're not being observed, I'd give you grief as your partner after the game.

You say you have a rulebook. Do me a favor and read rule 4-6. Tell me if that sounds like you're supposed to "manage" those situations.

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by rob.wilson
Thanks for your input. But like I said, not need to get upset or pushy.

The problem is that it actually re-inforces the popular myth that it is BI when the the backboard is slapped. I had a coach beg for that just last night.

To call this mythical rule (like all the others) makes it harder for the rest of us who call it right. We have reason to be upset...particularly when someone insists on continueing to call it wrong even when the correct call is clearly demonstarted.