"T" ing a Coach - When

Ref Daddy · #1 (**permalink**) Sun Dec 07, 2003, 08:36pm

Asking for some thoughts you apply on when to and not to let the coach have the Technical.

1) After a warning? Is warning "fair"
2) swearing or vulgarity?
3) Coaching the ref's and not his/her players?
4) Throwing hands up just to excit their crowd?

Ever ask the Assistant or scorekeeper to "cool them off"?

Comments?

mick · #2 (**permalink**) Sun Dec 07, 2003, 10:22pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Ref Daddy
Asking for some thoughts you apply on when to and not to let the coach have the Technical.

1) After a warning? Is warning "fair"
2) swearing or vulgarity?
3) Coaching the ref's and not his/her players?
4) Throwing hands up just to excit their crowd?

Ever ask the Assistant or scorekeeper to "cool them off"?

Comments?

...When you do not like what they are doing and you want them to cease and desist and sit.
Mileage will vary with each official.
mick

David B · #3 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 08, 2003, 12:01pm

1) After a warning? Is warning "fair"
Why do you need a warning? And if you are going to warn .... don't.

2) swearing or vulgarity?
If its HS by the book he's not supposed to, but don't be a by the book official. If everybody in the gym heard it probably. If no one esle heard him, then let it go.

If he swears at me, then he's getting a T.

If he curses his players, they probably deserved it. That's his job I don't have to like the way he coaches.

3) Coaching the ref's and not his/her players?
I don't care what he does. I do my job. If he interferes then I deal with him/her. That's part of learning to talk to the coach and there are many many threads about that on this site I'm sure.

4) Throwing hands up just to excit their crowd?
So what. Unless he's doing something that goes against my integrity that's coaching.

Ever ask the Assistant or scorekeeper to "cool them off"?
NO!

Comments?

A coach is a coach. He's paid to do his job.

I'm paid to officiate. We can get along fine, but I would suggest that you don't go looking for problems, there are enough things to worry about without having to worry about a coach.

Thanks
David

Mike Burns · #4 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 08, 2003, 06:13pm

I have two "basic" premises that draw the line for Techs.
1. Questioning my, or my partner's integrity or bias.
2. Swearing at me.

Hawks Coach · #5 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 09, 2003, 12:58pm

I saw David's feedback on "warning" and I would say that it depends on what you mean. Warning does not mean saying "one more time and that's gonna be a T" or "I am going to T you if you don't stop." You don't threaten a T, you give one willingly when required. However, saying "I've heard enough" is a good idea, as are other techniques to avoid having to give a T.

I am of the firm belief that you give Ts when needed, and you use your skills to avoid that necessity where possible. When it's unavoidable, give the T.

And you have to draw your own lines. If you see yourself giving three times as many Ts as any other ref, you may want to reconsider where you draw the line. If your rate seems to be consistent with that of your fellow officials, you may have a different line but it's probably at an appropriate level.

Forksref · #6 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 09, 2003, 01:04pm

"That's enough coach."

JRutledge · #7 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 09, 2003, 01:26pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Ref Daddy

Asking for some thoughts you apply on when to and not to let the coach have the Technical.

1) After a warning? Is warning "fair"
2) swearing or vulgarity?
3) Coaching the ref's and not his/her players?
4) Throwing hands up just to excit their crowd?

There is no magic formula. There is no one size fits all way of doing this. A coach could do all those listed above and they might not get T'd at all. They might do one of these and they might get T'd on the spot. You have to learn to find your own threshold and do what works for you. And the level also makes a difference, at least to me it does.

Quote:

Originally posted by Ref Daddy

Ever ask the Assistant or scorekeeper to "cool them off"?

Comments?

If I have to say anything, I say it to the coach. But I might tell a Head Coach to quite his bench or anyone on it, before sticking them. Give him the opportunity to handle his bench, in order to prevent from the Head Coach from having to sit.

Peace

Adam · #8 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 10, 2003, 08:59am

I've seen some mention that they'll whack a coach if he questions their integrity. Here's something I passed on last year. Coach asks me (about) three times if it's personal when I call his team for something.
What do you do? Whack 'm? Or give him the "that's a stupid question" look?

rainmaker · #9 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 10, 2003, 12:56pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Snaqwells
I've seen some mention that they'll whack a coach if he questions their integrity. Here's something I passed on last year. Coach asks me (about) three times if it's personal when I call his team for something.
What do you do? Whack 'm? Or give him the "that's a stupid question" look?

You ask, "Do I have any reason to personally insult you?"

Mike Burns · #10 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 10, 2003, 01:28pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Snaqwells
I've seen some mention that they'll whack a coach if he questions their integrity. Here's something I passed on last year. Coach asks me (about) three times if it's personal when I call his team for something.
What do you do? Whack 'm? Or give him the "that's a stupid question" look?

"No. I'm just callin' what I see."
His next response will settle the matter, one way or the other.

Mregor · #11 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 10, 2003, 01:30pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Snaqwells
I've seen some mention that they'll whack a coach if he questions their integrity. Here's something I passed on last year. Coach asks me (about) three times if it's personal when I call his team for something.
What do you do? Whack 'm? Or give him the "that's a stupid question" look?

Me: Do I know you?
Coach: No
Me: Then it can't be personal.

Mregor

ref18 · #12 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 11, 2003, 09:44pm

An official I know put it very well. If he starts to question your heritage, being the marital status of your parents at the time of your birth, then he's crossed the line.

I thought that was funny.

firedoc · #13 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 12, 2003, 11:20pm

I called a T on a coach a few seasons ago and he asked "why did you give me a T?" I answered that I don't give things away, T's are earned by the person (player or coach).

ace · #14 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 12, 2003, 11:38pm

Question of integrity is enough for me.

I can take a coach going on and on about my calls (and sometimes no calls :-) ) all day long - well - i can usually pacify them for a few min every now and then. But if they openly question my integrity ima stick them everytime. If they asked what they did? I say "you made it personal and thats where I draw the line (sir/mam)"

i had a coach - who sat down... and very polietly asked: "Do you take that much pride into your ethics?"

rcwilco · #15 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 13, 2003, 02:36am

I never threaten, "One more like that and I will T you up" or anythibng close. I jsut let them know if they have crossed my line. I use what was already mentioned with "that is enough coach" and once in a great while "knock it of coach".
I try to work very hard at game managent and control to avoid a T but have no qualms about giving one any time in the game it is needed. Throwing anything on the sideline, kicking anything, language, interfering with my game, etc., etc.