Nominations?

[ChuckElias]

I've been asked to present 5 or 6 oddball plays or situations for discussion at our next board meeting. We've had some interesting things come up in the last couple of months. I'm just not sure if they want very technical questions about the rules, or just unusual situations. So which ones do you think would be most suitable and also most interesting for a open-meeting style discussion? Any nominations?

[SamIAm]

Player A1 (or any other player) is fouled while A1 is shooting at the other team's basket.


A thousand and one intricasies of in-bounding the ball.
1. Inbounder must maintain the throw-in spot, but has not travelled if he does not.
2. Defensive player may take the ball from the inbounder if the ball is inside the OOB plane.
3. Defensive player may not however, reach across the OOB plane.
4. A player on either team may gain position of the ball in either the front court or back court.
5. Etc.




This one just for fun:
Explain how a player may dribble from the backcourt into the front court (while hopping on one foot) all the way to the baseline and back into the backcourt. I wish I could remember who to give credit to for that one, but I seem to recall rainmaker wanted to be there to see it if it did happen.

[David B]

Some of the hardest things to understand for me especially as a young ref but even now:

Jump ball situations can be very tricky

Also, alternating possession things such as when it starts, what about a foul or a violation etc., when doing an AP throw-in.

FT's - what if a team is not ready who gets what?
T or violation, or can it be resuming play etc.,

We had a very unusual play the other night with a new coach. We're shooting FT's and he wants to conference his team but his opponents are shooting the FT's.
What should you do, what can you do etc.,

Thanks
David

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Chuck:

It has always been my belief that using unusual and highly improbable plays are the best for teaching because it requires an official to know the definitions, and how to apply the definitions. I put a premium on knowing definitions because knowledge of definitions is the foundation of applying the rules to any situation.

MTD, Sr.

[Adam]

Originally posted by David B

We had a very unusual play the other night with a new coach. We're shooting FT's and he wants to conference his team but his opponents are shooting the FT's.
What should you do, what can you do etc.,

As long as he has two players on the blocks, the other three players are irrelevant.

[Ref in PA]

1. Jump ball, one or both jumpers tap ball, ball bounces inside center circle, one jumper grabs ball. All the old refs wanted to call a violation - wonder if this was a rule change somewhere along the line.

2. FT, B1 along the lane violates, A1 (shooter) tosses airball. Now this can be called two ways, depending on the interpretation of the ref. Disconcertion by B1 will give A1 another toss. No Disconcertion will be a double violation - go with AP arrow (on last toss only).

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by ChuckElias
Any nominations?

Give 'em this one that we talked about before:

A1,who has player and team control in the front court,passes to A2. Defender B1 reaches in and deflects the ball into the back court-where it rolls almost to the end line. A1 chases down the loose ball,is the first to touch it and bats it along the end line. A2 now picks the ball up and starts dribbling.
Question:1) Is this a backcourt violation? 2)When does the 10 second count begin?

[Dan_ref]

I've always found the first 20 seconds of the game the most challenging -

- jump ball admin & violations
- who's going what way again? on a quick OOB
- quick usually unexpectd fouls
- etc etc

Probably because we only do this once per game, all the rest we've seen thousands of times. Also lets you talk about concentration/court awareness. Another topic along those lines might be dealing with less than the perfect table: shot clock, game clock, book keeper.


Hope this helps

[mick]

You tell a coach that you passed on a foul/violation to his team's advantage.
He is appeased.
The other coach hears you.

[rainmaker]

I'm with Dan about the beginning of the game.

Also, I think the administrative stuff is the most difficult to keep track of because the rules are so convoluted, and because it doesn't happen very often. There is also the most variation in this category from locale to locale. Some associations want their folks to ignore everything, others want every little detail called, and everything in between. But it's most important to get these details correct, because they are going to be noticed and remembered by everyone involved.

[David B]

Originally posted by Snaqwells

As long as he has two players on the blocks, the other three players are irrelevant.

No, he conferenced with his entire team. So we had a shot, a violation and then he was not ready still, so we had to give a T for delay.

First time, but the coach is young (should know better he's been as asst. coach in college for four years)

Thanks
David

[Mark Padgett]

Here's an oldie but a goodie. You are officiating a game on the deck of a cruise ship. A1 has just received an inbound pass in his backcourt and you have started your 10 second count. During the count, the ship crosses the international date line and it is now yesterday!

Does A1 get an additional 24 hours to get the ball into frontcourt?

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by David B

No, he conferenced with his entire team. So we had a shot, a violation and then he was not ready still, so we had to give a T for delay.

First time, but the coach is young (should know better he's been as asst. coach in college for four years)

Thanks
David

Unless this was after a TO, you were incorrect.

You should have requested that he place two players in the lower spaces. If he refused, it's an immediate T for delay of game.

The violation for not filling the lower spots is part of the resumption-of-play procedure.

[Viking32]

On the floor 20 minutes before game, standing at half court. Look over to the visiting team and the assistant coach is doing layups with the team. Is this legal? What if he dunks?

[Rich]

I heard a story about a veteran varsity official who did the following:

A timeout after a B goal. A comes back and is properly told that they can run the endline. A player passes it inbounds where it is deflected out of bounds by a B player. Official allows A to run the baseline again. Whoops.

Rich