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BOBBYMO Sat Nov 29, 2003 01:34am

Tonight I was at a college woman's game and I saw something that really got me curious.

Todays trend in headwear for players with longer hair is to take some "pre-wrap" ( gausey elastic strechable material) and twist it up like a small rubber band and place it on their head to keep their hair from going into their face / eyes.

Tonight before the opening tip an official made all the players wearing this " pre-wrap' to remove it before the game started.

When I got home I tried to look it up but came up with nothing showing that this is illegal. To me its much safer than wearing a plastic brett.

Has anyone seen a rule stating that this is not legal headwear????

zebraman Sat Nov 29, 2003 01:37am

It's not for the purpose of "jewelry" and it's not dangerous. I don't see any reason not to allow it.

Z

nine01c Sat Nov 29, 2003 09:05am

How are they wearing this item? Like a headband all the way around the head, or like a pony tail holder? In either case, I don't see how it would be illegal.

BOBBYMO Sat Nov 29, 2003 09:27am

They are twisting it up lengthwise so it is no wider / thicker than a rubber band. They are wearing it all the way around their head like a headband, Not just around their ponytail. To me its safe and causes no harm and is not worn as jewlrey. It is not visible from very far away.

rainmaker Sat Nov 29, 2003 09:51am

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Originally posted by BOBBYMO
They are twisting it up lengthwise so it is no wider / thicker than a rubber band.
One year in our association, someone interpreted this stuff as a "rubber band" and we were told it was illegal. When I realized what they were talking about, I went to my mentor and asked what we should do. She said, if it isn't a rubber band it isn't illegal, so I just ignore it now. Maybe your partner had heard that it was a rubber band. Good grief don't we have more important things to worry about?!?

Jurassic Referee Sat Nov 29, 2003 10:23am

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Originally posted by rainmaker


Good grief don't we have more important things to worry about?!? [/B]
Uh, yeah.

But,what we don't know in this sitch was what direction the official who banned them had ben given. If his supervisor told him that they were a no-no, then that's all she wrote.

bob jenkins Sat Nov 29, 2003 10:40am

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Originally posted by BOBBYMO
Tonight I was at a college woman's game and I saw something that really got me curious.

Todays trend in headwear for players with longer hair is to take some "pre-wrap" ( gausey elastic strechable material) and twist it up like a small rubber band and place it on their head to keep their hair from going into their face / eyes.

Tonight before the opening tip an official made all the players wearing this " pre-wrap' to remove it before the game started.

When I got home I tried to look it up but came up with nothing showing that this is illegal. To me its much safer than wearing a plastic brett.

Has anyone seen a rule stating that this is not legal headwear????

Specifically not allowed in NCAAW. See one of the interps published last year.


BOBBYMO Sat Nov 29, 2003 11:00am

"Specifically not allowed in NCAAW. See one of the interps published last year."

..... Do you have a copy of this or could you please let me know where I could find it????


Thanks

ChuckElias Sat Nov 29, 2003 04:49pm

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Originally posted by rainmaker
She said, if it isn't a rubber band it isn't illegal, so I just ignore it now.
I would argue rather that unless it is "a headband no wider than 2 inches and made of nonabrasive, unadorned (except for logo/trademark, see 3-6) single-colored cloth, elastic, fiber, soft leather or rubber", it isn't legal. (FED 3-5, Exception 2). Maybe this pre-wrap stuff falls into one of the exceptions listed above, but there's a lot of stuff that's illegal, not just rubber bands.

rainmaker Sat Nov 29, 2003 07:06pm

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Originally posted by rainmaker
She said, if it isn't a rubber band it isn't illegal, so I just ignore it now.
I would argue rather that unless it is "a headband no wider than 2 inches and made of nonabrasive, unadorned (except for logo/trademark, see 3-6) single-colored cloth, elastic, fiber, soft leather or rubber", it isn't legal. (FED 3-5, Exception 2). Maybe this pre-wrap stuff falls into one of the exceptions listed above, but there's a lot of stuff that's illegal, not just rubber bands.

"This Pre-Wrap Stuff"?? You don't know pre-wrap? It's the flexible foam stuff they put under tape when they do your ankle or wrist, so they don't pull off all the hair when the tape comes off. It's, non-abrasive, unadorned, single-colored, elastic, fiber.

I see your point, though, about not just rubber bands being illegal. In the particular conversation, those were the only two topics -- rubber and pre-wrap-- and we both knew we weren't talking about other things.

ChuckElias Sat Nov 29, 2003 08:08pm

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Originally posted by rainmaker
"This Pre-Wrap Stuff"?? You don't know pre-wrap?
I know that there is such a thing as pre-wrap. But I don't really know what it's made of, or whether it would fit the list of exceptions in 3-5.

bob jenkins Sun Nov 30, 2003 06:33pm

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Originally posted by BOBBYMO
"Specifically not allowed in NCAAW. See one of the interps published last year."

..... Do you have a copy of this or could you please let me know where I could find it????


Thanks

http://www.ncaa.org/champadmin/basketball

look at the women's bulletins from last year.

BktBallRef Sun Nov 30, 2003 07:27pm

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Originally posted by rainmaker
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Originally posted by BOBBYMO
They are twisting it up lengthwise so it is no wider / thicker than a rubber band.
One year in our association, someone interpreted this stuff as a "rubber band" and we were told it was illegal. When I realized what they were talking about, I went to my mentor and asked what we should do. She said, if it isn't a rubber band it isn't illegal, so I just ignore it now. Maybe your partner had heard that it was a rubber band. Good grief don't we have more important things to worry about?!?

Are we saying that a rubber band in the hair is illegal? :confused:

rainmaker Sun Nov 30, 2003 07:46pm

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by rainmaker
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Originally posted by BOBBYMO
They are twisting it up lengthwise so it is no wider / thicker than a rubber band.
One year in our association, someone interpreted this stuff as a "rubber band" and we were told it was illegal. When I realized what they were talking about, I went to my mentor and asked what we should do. She said, if it isn't a rubber band it isn't illegal, so I just ignore it now. Maybe your partner had heard that it was a rubber band. Good grief don't we have more important things to worry about?!?

Are we saying that a rubber band in the hair is illegal? :confused:

Apparently if it's around the head, as opposed to being around the hair, it's illegal. I don't understand it, and I don't check. But that's what we were told.

BktBallRef Sun Nov 30, 2003 08:02pm

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by rainmaker
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Originally posted by BOBBYMO
They are twisting it up lengthwise so it is no wider / thicker than a rubber band.
One year in our association, someone interpreted this stuff as a "rubber band" and we were told it was illegal. When I realized what they were talking about, I went to my mentor and asked what we should do. She said, if it isn't a rubber band it isn't illegal, so I just ignore it now. Maybe your partner had heard that it was a rubber band. Good grief don't we have more important things to worry about?!?

Are we saying that a rubber band in the hair is illegal? :confused:

Apparently if it's around the head, as opposed to being around the hair, it's illegal. I don't understand it, and I don't check. But that's what we were told.

Okay, I can live with that. I seem to remember that being mentioned a couple of years ago, but the way I read it, that's contrary to the rule. But I'm just having trouble picturing what BOBBYMO is talking about.

rainmaker Sun Nov 30, 2003 08:39pm

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
Are we saying that a rubber band in the hair is illegal? :confused:
Apparently if it's around the head, as opposed to being around the hair, it's illegal. I don't understand it, and I don't check. But that's what we were told. [/B][/QUOTE]

Okay, I can live with that. I seem to remember that being mentioned a couple of years ago, but the way I read it, that's contrary to the rule. But I'm just having trouble picturing what BOBBYMO is talking about. [/B][/QUOTE]

Okay, you take the roll of pre-wrap, and you unwind about 15 inches or so. Okay, you don't, but that player over there does. She tears off the length, puts the center of it at the top of her head and pulls the lengths down behind her ears, then ties the ends at the nape of the neck. If she pulls it very tightly at all, which she does to make it effective, it rolls up into a sort of string, which has a little bit of traction and holds all the short ends of hair away from the face. See?

BOBBYMO Sun Nov 30, 2003 09:54pm

Rainmaker-
This is exactly what I am talking about. I have seen it a million times at both the high school and college level and this past Friday was the first time I had ever seen anyone mention that it was illegal.

BktBallRef Sun Nov 30, 2003 10:00pm

Okay, I'm as dumb as Chu,...er, I mean, a rock, I guess, but I have no idea what pre-wrap is. :o

Are we talking about the stuff you, well maybe not you, wrap your ankle with before you tape it?

ChuckElias Mon Dec 01, 2003 09:01am

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
I have no idea what pre-wrap is. :o

Are we talking about the stuff you, well maybe not you, wrap your ankle with before you tape it?

In the immortal words of Forrest Gump, "I may not be a smart man, but I know what pre-wrap is!" Or something like that.

To answer your question directly, Tony, yes.

ocreferee Mon Dec 01, 2003 09:30am

Here's the Interp...
 
http://www.ncaa.org/champadmin/baske...3/20030110.pdf


BOBBYMO Mon Dec 01, 2003 01:15pm

Thanks for the link..... I was wrong

Junker Mon Dec 01, 2003 02:57pm

In Iowa they addressed this at the girls' rules meeting. Everything (rubber bands, prewrap etc.) is considered a headband and falls uunder 3-5-2. We were told to let it go as long as the entire team was wearing the same thing. I can see where you could rule these illegal under 3-5-2 as "head decorations and headwear". So far this season I have allowed them.

rainmaker Mon Dec 01, 2003 07:39pm

Re: Here's the Interp...
 
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Originally posted by ocreferee
http://www.ncaa.org/champadmin/baske...3/20030110.pdf


Thanks for the link. Do you or bob jenkins have any clue WHY it would be illegal?

BOBBYMO Fri Dec 05, 2003 10:06am

Ok now that we have this settled at the college level........ Is it legal in high school??????


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