I wore belted pants for years, but when I got to the JC level I finally decided to get a pair of Sansabelts, and I just find they feel better. Yeah, I tug once in a while, but I also find that for whatever reason, I don't have to tuck in my shirt as often.

I personally think they look "sleeker", but I'm an official, and I notice things like that.

CLAY, you're right. Pants say nothing about your ability, and the average Joe doesn't notice. But if our profession sets (explicitly or implicitly) a certain standard for certain officials, it is not unreasonable to expect people to follow it.

Most people don't care whether you have a belt or not. But chances are, the evaluator in that crucial game, when you're trying to move up, does. Your choice.

What battle will you choose to fight? What hill are you willing to die on?

Could that be because you aren't one of those old, been around forever coaches whose gut hangs over their belt and can't get up and down the court...oh wait, that was refs, not coaches...never mind Jurassic - we'll still down the brownpops with you! :)

Could that be because you aren't one of those old, been around forever coaches whose gut hangs over their belt and can't get up and down the court...oh wait, that was refs, not coaches...never mind Jurassic - we'll still down the brownpops with you! [/B][/QUOTE]Know what, Rock? I could give a diddly-damn-doo about what anybody says about me personally, or about my ability,agility,hostility,etc. They could be completely right as it refers to ME. Where they are completely wrong is to imply that MOST older officials are like that. Hell, I know a pile of officials, and I certainly have nowhere near the knowledge to come up with a "generalization" like that one. I also know a whole pile of older officials who I still marvel at, for the way that they always seem to be able to manage to maintain good court positioning.

End of rant,Rock! Promise!:D

rocky
There's just a bit of that kinda weight behind every opinion I offer, and I do have a certain shine to my head that ain't brill cream (and if you know what I mean by that, you really know what I mean!). :)

As for old refs vs young refs, I've seen the good, the bad and the ugly in all age categories. You either have it or you don't, and I don't care how old you are.

Hey!! I know what you mean (a little dab'll do ya!), and I'm only 37! Does that lump me in with the Jurassic crowd?

I think that the belt is not ultimately the determining factor as to who is a good or bad ref.

What is might be is the determinig factor when all else is equal.

example. 2 refs who are equal in experience, tenure, mechanics, call selection.

One is wearing glasses with a mustache and belted slacks

Other is clean shaven, no glasses and wears Sansabelts.


Hmm , who would the assignor pick / move up to the next level.

For the record, I wear a belt and glasses.

I'm not starting on the age categories here!

Hey!! I know what you mean (a little dab'll do ya!), and I'm only 37! Does that lump me in with the Jurassic crowd? [/B][/QUOTE]As I told you before,Chick,I got haemmorhoids older than you! Better looking too!

Whos Chick-


Hmmmmm must be an age things fingers dont work....must have been caught in the belt!

AK ref SE

Nah, it's just his way of getting me back for calling him "Porky" :)

Okay Chick...uuuuhhh mean Chuck I leave that one alone.


AK ref SE

Seams to me we are all talking about what is in "trend".
The real question is: ...is it a fad?

The fashion style today is going to bell bottoms. The 70's are back baby.

So lets all get black pants (with BIG belts) that have bell bottoms, our shirts to have low v-necks so our manly hair on our chest shows, and dump the strings on the whistles, we'll hook them to our gold chains and call the our "bling blings".

now thats keeping it real!

Real......
 

dumb. But if that is what you want to do, be my guest. When I look at ESPN Classic, I see no belts, and shined shoes. And I am talking about games 15-20 years ago. I might agree that some things are trends, but I know of no one that is wearing those grey shirts. Maybe because the assignors do not want them. Get the point. ;)

Peace

If Beltless pants are the new way to go, what about head bands? I shave my head and the sweat is runs down my face.

Forget the head band and go for a diaper!