NFHS With a Twist?

nine01c · #1 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 10, 2003, 08:12am

I am curious. What states follow NFHS rules and policies completely? What states deviate and by how much?
Massachusetts has some differences.
1) we use a 30 sec shot clock
2) we have 5 full time outs (no 30 sec TO)
3) girls do not have a 10 sec backcourt count
4) we use the optional coaching box
5) new this year- mouthguards required

Ref in PA · #2 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 10, 2003, 08:42am

In PA the only difference is we use a seat belt rule for coaches - no coaching box. (also we tend to make up rules when two teams fight in the state playoffs).

tomegun · #3 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 10, 2003, 08:50am

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Originally posted by Ref in PA
In PA the only difference is we use a seat belt rule for coaches - no coaching box. (also we tend to make up rules when two teams fight in the state playoffs).

I've seen rules made up in that situation also.

ChuckElias · #4 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 10, 2003, 08:56am

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Originally posted by nine01c
Massachusetts has some differences.
1) we use a 30 sec shot clock
2) we have 5 full time outs (no 30 sec TO)
3) girls do not have a 10 sec backcourt count
4) we use the optional coaching box
5) new this year- mouthguards required

We also play halves, instead of quarters, which is why we have 5 time-outs.

ChuckElias · #5 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 10, 2003, 08:57am

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Originally posted by Ref in PA
In PA the only difference is we use a seat belt rule for coaches - no coaching box.

That is not a difference, as the coaching box is a state adoption "optional" rule.

nine01c · #6 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 10, 2003, 09:00am

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Originally posted by ChuckElias

We also play halves, instead of quarters, which is why we have 5 time-outs.

I knew there was something I was forgetting.
Thanks, Chuck.

ocreferee · #7 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 10, 2003, 09:55am

In Maryland Boys are straight NFHS while the girls use a 30 second shot clock and eliminate the 10 second back court count.

Jurassic Referee · #8 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 10, 2003, 09:55am

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
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We also play halves, instead of quarters, which is why we have 5 time-outs.
[/B][/QUOTE]16 minute halves?

ChuckElias · #9 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 10, 2003, 09:58am

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

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Originally posted by ChuckElias

We also play halves, instead of quarters, which is why we have 5 time-outs.
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16 minute halves? [/B][/QUOTE]
Yup. I like it. 2 fewer "last shot" scenarios per game.

IowaMike · #10 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 10, 2003, 12:24pm

In Iowa, HS boys and girls are administered by separate state associations so the Girls union always throws a few differences in there to justify their existence. Iowa girls leave the first spaces in the lane empty instead of the top ones for free throws. There is also no jump ball but instead a coin flip to determine possesion at the start of the game. Coaches are allowed to stand in the box for girls but are confined to the bench in boys.

Ref in PA · #11 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 10, 2003, 12:34pm

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Originally posted by ChuckElias

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Originally posted by Ref in PA
In PA the only difference is we use a seat belt rule for coaches - no coaching box.

That is not a difference, as the coaching box is a state adoption "optional" rule. [/B]

While it is true it is an optional rule, PA does not allow coaches to stand except to:
1. Call a time out
2. Go to scorers table to request an error to be corrected
3. Enter the court when beckoned by an official

Those events are a subset of the situations outlined by the NFHS for when a coach may stand when the "seatbelt" rule is in effect for coaches.

It is also my understanding that only one other state uses the seatbelt rule, I think Michigan, but I am not 100% sure of that.

ChuckElias · #12 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 10, 2003, 01:33pm

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Originally posted by Ref in PA
While it is true it is an optional rule, PA does not allow coaches to stand except to:
1. Call a time out
2. Go to scorers table to request an error to be corrected
3. Enter the court when beckoned by an official

You are instructed to T the coach if s/he stands spontaneously to cheer for an outstanding play?!?!?!

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It is also my understanding that only one other state uses the seatbelt rule, I think Michigan, but I am not 100% sure of that.

I think it might be Iowa. . .

nine01c · #13 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 10, 2003, 01:36pm

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Originally posted by IowaMike
In Iowa, HS boys and girls are administered by separate state associations so the Girls union always throws a few differences in there to justify their existence. Iowa girls leave the first spaces in the lane empty instead of the top ones for free throws. There is also no jump ball but instead a coin flip to determine possesion at the start of the game. Coaches are allowed to stand in the box for girls but are confined to the bench in boys.

Mike: Didn't Iowa get rid of the (stupid) old "girls basketball" rules real late (like 1980something)? Well, I guess what they do now is better than that, at least. Hopefully they have gotten rid of the bloomers. Why don't they just join the boys association and let the girls play the same rules? Does this involve separate officials who can only officiate one or the other? Do they have the same season?

MN BB Ref · #14 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 10, 2003, 02:24pm

Here in Minnesota we seem to follow NFHS rules to a "T". There may be something I'm not thinking of, but to the best of my knowledge we don't deviate from the NFHS book.

Ref in PA · #15 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 10, 2003, 03:35pm

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
You are instructed to T the coach if s/he stands spontaneously to cheer for an outstanding play?!?!?!

As nutty as it may sound, yes. If I see the coach standing, I ask the coach if he/she wants a time out, if they respond negatively, I can "T" 'em. I never said Pennsylvania was logical. I cut slack for new coaches coming from other states