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hoopsrefBC Thu Nov 09, 2000 03:26am

Simple question really just want to be sure.

A1 is shooting a legal 3 point basket and is intentionaly fouled, ball goes in. Award A1 with 3 a three point basket, award two free throws and award the ball at the nearest spot out of bounds...i understand that, i think.

However if A1 is intentional fouled shooting a 3 ponter and the ball is missed would i award 2 or 3 free throw possession of the ball would of be awarded at the nearest spot out of bounds to team A.

Just trying to learn NFHS and NCAA rules.

Thanks
SH
keep smiling

mick Thu Nov 09, 2000 08:26am

Rule 4.19.3A(c)
 
Quote:

Originally posted by hoopsrefBC
Simple question really just want to be sure.

A1 is shooting a legal 3 point basket and is intentionaly fouled, ball goes in. Award A1 with 3 a three point basket, award two free throws and award the ball at the nearest spot out of bounds...i understand that, i think.

However if A1 is intentional fouled shooting a 3 ponter and the ball is missed would i award 2 or 3 free throw possession of the ball would of be awarded at the nearest spot out of bounds to team A.

Just trying to learn NFHS and NCAA rules.

Thanks
SH
keep smiling

Scott,
An unsuccessful 3-pt. try , requires Three FT and the ball.

You are correct in the made trys. Two FT and the ball.
An unsuccessful two-pt. try is two + the ball.

mick

joselirizarry Wed Nov 15, 2000 04:17am

If its an "intentional foul" thats just 2 free throws and the ball.

Even if its a 3 point try!



[Edited by joselirizarry on Nov 15th, 2000 at 03:23 AM]

mick Wed Nov 15, 2000 08:32am

see case book
 
Quote:

Originally posted by joselirizarry
If its an "intentional foul" thats just 2 free throws and the ball.

Even if its a 3 point try!

[Edited by joselirizarry on Nov 15th, 2000 at 03:23 AM]

jose,
Check out your Case Book 4.19.3A(c)
mick


joselirizarry Wed Nov 15, 2000 02:55pm

Thanks Mick

David B Wed Nov 15, 2000 03:47pm

Mick

A good point. Our local group had a discussion and one of the leaders, (an NCAA guy) said don't call an intetnional on the three point shot because it will penalize the offense, they only get two free throws.

I looked in the Rule Book under Penalties for fouls and you have to read #4 and then #5 also and put them together to realize they do mean for you to shoot 3 shots on the 3 point attempt if it is missed.

Then I read it in the Case book and it clarifies.

IS this any different in NCAA or others for them to make this mistake or did they just overlook?

Thanks
David

mick Wed Nov 15, 2000 04:14pm

Quote:

Originally posted by David B
Mick

...IS this any different in NCAA or others for them to make this mistake or did they just overlook?

Thanks
David

David,
This is what I found.
mick

NCAA Rule 10.20.2 (c)
Rule 10 Fouls and Penalties
Section 20. Personal-Foul Penalties
Art.2. The offended person shall be allowed free throws as follows:
c. Three free throws for:
A foul against a player who attempts a three-point field goal and whose try is unsuccessful. When the foul is intentional or flagrant, the ball also shall be awarded to the offended team at the designated spot.

Source: 2001 NCAA Mens' and womens' Basketball Rules and Interpretations

[Edited by mick on Nov 15th, 2000 at 03:19 PM]

hoopsrefBC Sat Nov 18, 2000 04:39pm

Thanks Mick

Ralph Stubenthal Sat Nov 18, 2000 08:58pm

Quote:

Originally posted by mick
Quote:

Originally posted by David B
Mick

...IS this any different in NCAA or others for them to make this mistake or did they just overlook?

Thanks
David

David,
This is what I found.
mick

NCAA Rule 10.20.2 (c)
Rule 10 Fouls and Penalties
Section 20. Personal-Foul Penalties
Art.2. The offended person shall be allowed free throws as follows:
c. Three free throws for:
A foul against a player who attempts a three-point field goal and whose try is unsuccessful. When the foul is intentional or flagrant, the ball also shall be awarded to the offended team at the designated spot.

Source: 2001 NCAA Mens' and womens' Basketball Rules and Interpretations

[Edited by mick on Nov 15th, 2000 at 03:19 PM]

Mick, would it work the same way under NFHS rules?

mick Sat Nov 18, 2000 10:36pm

Fed
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Ralph Stubenthal
Quote:

Originally posted by mick
Quote:

Originally posted by David B
Mick

...IS this any different in NCAA or others for them to make this mistake or did they just overlook?

Thanks
David

David,
This is what I found.
mick

NCAA Rule 10.20.2 (c)
Rule 10 Fouls and Penalties
Section 20. Personal-Foul Penalties
Art.2. The offended person shall be allowed free throws as follows:
c. Three free throws for:
A foul against a player who attempts a three-point field goal and whose try is unsuccessful. When the foul is intentional or flagrant, the ball also shall be awarded to the offended team at the designated spot.

Source: 2001 NCAA Mens' and womens' Basketball Rules and Interpretations

[Edited by mick on Nov 15th, 2000 at 03:19 PM]

Mick, would it work the same way under NFHS rules?

Ralph,
It seems to be the same: Casebook 4.19.3A(c)
mick


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