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Old Wed Oct 29, 2025, 02:40pm
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BillyMac... I'm turning in my Fashion Police Badge
We also need your pistol.
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Old Wed Oct 29, 2025, 03:04pm
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You choose to ignore it, which I'm not saying is the worst thing in the world. But don't rationalize why you don't enforce it.
Good point, but "choose to ignore" is strong language for what I actually do.

Yes, I don't usually take the time to actually "seek out" offenders with untucked jerseys (as I said before, offenders seem to just stick out in a crowd), but when I do notice offenders with untucked jerseys, I almost always (exception for fat kids and middle school teams with shiny slippery scrimmage type jerseys) enforce such, usually with a stern warning to "Tuck it in", or in extreme cases to take a seat for a tick of the clock.

Locally, I'm considered to be the Gestapo of the Fashion Police. In my occasional high school games, I enforce all (100%) fashion rules and don't ignore anything.

However, in my middle school games, illegal undershirts under sleeveless jerseys on shy adolescent girls can be a problem for some coaches (few know the rules) to take care of (especially just minutes before the jump ball).

I do the best I can with illegal undershirts on middle school girls (no exceptions for boys).

With girls, I never totally ignore, but broach the issue with the coaches as soon as I enter the court, and I again mention it in the pregame coaches and captains meeting.

Our local interpreter and middle school assigner want us to "let middle schol kids play", but that is always stated in the context of "uniforms" (not specifically equipment), thus we allow dark jerseys for home teams, non matching shorts among players, illegal numbers, and duplicate numbers (some years I fill up my Bingo card after just a few weeks), so it's not a stretch for me to allow illegal undershirts under sleeveless jerseys on shy adolescent girls with just a "stern recommendation" for future improvement.

I don't beleive that our local interpreter and middle school assigner would be displeased with me by allowing such girls to play that afternoon rather than sit them on the bench.

Note: In my first year of officiating mostly middle school games, I had a visiting out of area coach threaten to put her girls back on the bus and go home rather than sit the shy girls who refused to remove their illegal undershirts. I decided to "back down". Not my finest hour.

Rules that restrict equipment colors benefit officials by allowing them to easily identify players on each team during fast paced action.

Student athletes should take pride in their appearance as they represent their school and community.

I tell the untucked offenders, "Watch the players on television".
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Old Wed Oct 29, 2025, 10:35pm
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I never in my career sought out somebody to see if they tucked their jersey. I officiated the games and if I saw untucked jerseys, I would address it when I had an opportunity to.

If I had a game where it was a continuous problem, every free throw I administered I would tell everybody to tuck their jerseys. I didn't even look to see if they were tucked in at that point.

As a neutral observer at the D1 level, the D3 level, and the high school level, not seeing it is never an acceptable response.

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Old Thu Oct 30, 2025, 08:13am
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I never in my career sought out somebody to see if they tucked their jersey. I officiated the games and if I saw untucked jerseys, I would address it when I had an opportunity to. If I had a game where it was a continuous problem, every free throw I administered I would tell everybody to tuck their jerseys. I didn't even look to see if they were tucked in at that point.
Well stated.

Pretty much exactly I what do.

If I had trouble expressing such above, that's on me because I'm not an elegant wordsmith.

As Raymond stated, free throws are a good time (never during a live ball clock running situation) to address such problems because almost all the players are within hearing distance.

With the exception of some middle school uniform issues (dark jerseys for home teams, non-matching shorts among players, illegal numbers, duplicate numbers), that we've been locally instructed to ignore, I always enforce, warn, or at least broach, but never ignore.

Even the slippery shiny scrimmage type jerseys (difficult to stay tucked in) I sometimes see in my middle school games are broached during the coaches captains meeting to get everyone on the same page (including first consulting with my partner).

In all sincerity, I believe that I can definitively say that I never totally ignore any fashion issues.

They're either enforced, warned, or at least broached (fat kids are discussed with partner and possibly opposing coach), but never ignored (except for local middle school exceptions as stated by both our local interpreter and game assigner, often discussed in coaches captains meeting).

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Old Thu Oct 30, 2025, 08:21am
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Start of the game make a quick glance around the court as your verifying readiness of partners and tables.


During the course of play, you should notice untucked shirts unless the offending player is never involved in plays on the court. I'll try to make a mental note to look for it again at the next dead ball.


Anything blatant should be caught pretty easily.... Then again I notice beaver chews on a tree 300 yards off the road while going 70 lol
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Old Fri Oct 31, 2025, 07:56am
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Off The Rails ...

I just noticed the title of this thread.

I apologize for taking it in a "high school direction".

I have worked exactly one college game (and exactly one FIBA game) in forty-five years.

I should stay in my lane, not be commenting on college issues, and be minding my own business.
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