Do you call a 2nd foul?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Isn't there a case played that addresses this situation?

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

There's an older case play that's not in the book, here's a thread on it https://forum.officiating.com/basket...uble-foul.html

Nice job guys.

Originally Posted by jc147119

The lane is cleared and after the two shots, Team B will be awarded the ball back at the end line - either with the ability to run the end line (if the second shot was successful) or with a spot throw in if the second free throw misses.

Great case play thread.

I would be interested in further discussion about "players are knocked into another player".

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Nice job guys.



Great case play thread.

I would be interested in further discussion about "players are knocked into another player".

My 20 years on the court, never had a play that was even close enough that I would have to consider such a decision. It's why we should have a patient whistle on plays to the basket.

It would have to be so obvious that the offensive player was committing a foul as a separate act that it would damn near have to be ruled intentional.


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[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

I have a true confession to make.

1) I have watched, played, and officiated basketball for 65 years and I have never seen this happen in a game. That is not to say that it has not happened and I suspect it happens more often than we think, I would bet dollars to donuts that it does. That said ...

2) I would not hesitate to enforce this Play per the Case Book, in fact I would recognize as soon as I saw the Play.

MTD, Sr.

[SNIPERBBB]

ive seen a few times over my 20+ where a defender is setup for a charge but another player comes in and fouls the dribbler and the dribbler bounced into the LGP defender.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

... where a defender is setup for a charge but another player comes in and fouls the dribbler and the dribbler bounced into the LGP defender.

Never observed it but agree that it is a distinct possibility in a real game situation.

If the official is 100% certain that the player control foul would not have occurred without an unintentional push as part of the defensive foul on the ball handler, can the player control foul be overlooked after a discussion between the officials?

Rule 2-3 (Referee’s Authority): "The referee shall make decisions on any points not specifically covered in the rules."

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I suspect it happens more often than we think, I would bet dollars to donuts that it does.

We've got some knuckleheads that don't know a false double foul from a ham sandwich.

[SNIPERBBB]

We call false doubles all the time. Usually a personal foul, followed by a technical foul we just never have to use the term "false double" on the court.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

We call false doubles all the time. Usually a personal foul, followed by a technical foul we just never have to use the term "false double" on the court.

Good point.

Probably some "false multiples" too.

[JRutledge]

Based on the play, no. If there clearly was a foul and for some reason players did not recognize the whistle unknowingly, then no, I am not calling a foul. Yes, there is a rule and a case play, but that is also a little different. I would only call a foul if something on purpose and nefarious took place. Otherwise, common sense rules the day here. But based only on the play and what I am thinking, call the first foul. This usually never happens anyway.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

We call false doubles all the time. Usually a personal foul, followed by a technical foul we just never have to use the term "false double" on the court.

I put it this way. Many feel a false double foul is something that you call, but it is something that happens as a result of a second action. A false double foul is more about how you administer the fouls, not what you called. So you are right, we call these more often than we ever realize, but people get caught up in the name and think they are doing too much as a result.

Peace

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I put it this way. Many feel a false double foul is something that you call, but it is something that happens as a result of a second action. A false double foul is more about how you administer the fouls, not what you called. So you are right, we call these more often than we ever realize, but people get caught up in the name and think they are doing too much as a result.

Peace

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MTD, Sr.

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I put it this way. Many feel a false double foul is something that you call, but it is something that happens as a result of a second action. A false double foul is more about how you administer the fouls, not what you called. So you are right, we call these more often than we ever realize, but people get caught up in the name and think they are doing too much as a result.

Peace

I think I would be hard pressed to even come up with a memory of myself uttering the words "false" anything outside an association meeting or class. Only use it on the net in discussion forums/facebook