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Old Fri May 23, 2025, 11:35am
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Rocket Ship Diagram ???

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The determination of the location for a throw-in after a stoppage of play was adjusted in Rule 7-5-4 using the three-point line. If a violation occurs on or within the three-point line, the designated spot will be on the end line. A throw-in will be on the sideline if the violation occurs outside the three-point line. This rule change eliminates the use of the imaginary line to determine a throw-in spot.
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7-5-4: This rule change updates the procedure for determining the designated throw-in spot following a stoppage of play (not due to the ball going out of bounds) in the frontcourt. Instead of relying on an imaginary line, officials now use existing court markings, specifically the three-point line, to determine the location. This change improves accuracy, consistency, and clarity for officials by using visible floor markings rather than imaginary lines, which were often misjudged.

Rationale: By using the visible three-point line as the line of demarcation, officials will have a clearer and more consistent method for determining throw-in locations. This improves accuracy and reduces confusion, resulting in more reliable throw-ins.
Will we still use the Rocket Ship Diagram for out of bounds violations?



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Old Fri May 23, 2025, 12:22pm
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Will we still use the Rocket Ship Diagram for out of bounds violations?



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I would say no. Use the floor markings. If the OOB violation is outside the 3point arc it goes to nearest 28'. If inside the arc, nearest 3' mark.
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Old Fri May 23, 2025, 02:15pm
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Not Due To Teh Ball Going Out Of Bounds ...

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I would say no. Use the floor markings. If the OOB violation is outside the 3point arc it goes to nearest 28'. If inside the arc, nearest 3' mark.
Sounds reasonable, but the NFHS says that the "rule change updates the procedure for determining the designated throwin spot following a stoppage of play (not due to the ball going out of bounds) in the frontcourt".
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Old Fri May 23, 2025, 03:36pm
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Will we still use the Rocket Ship Diagram for out of bounds violations?



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The rocket ship blew up. It's time was coming.
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Old Sat May 24, 2025, 06:04pm
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Will we still use the Rocket Ship Diagram for out of bounds violations?



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Why do you need a diagram for an out of bounds violation? Throw in from the exact spot the ball went out of bounds except between the lane lines.

Am I missing something?

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Old Sat May 24, 2025, 06:36pm
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Why do you need a diagram for an out of bounds violation? Throw in from the exact spot the ball went out of bounds except between the lane lines. Am I missing something?
No, I'm missing something, and I overthought (or underthought) the concept.

I was distracted by this:

7-5-4: This rule change updates the procedure for determining the designated throw-in spot following a stoppage of play (not due to the ball going out of bounds) in the frontcourt.

So I guess that the Rocket Ship Diagram (© 2009, Back In The Saddle) has blasted off on its last journey.

Right?
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Old Sun May 25, 2025, 05:29pm
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No more rocket ship. Unfortunately people aren't very good with the rocket ship. They thought everything inside the arc went to the endline spots.
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Old Sun May 25, 2025, 10:32pm
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No more rocket ship. Unfortunately people aren't very good with the rocket ship. They thought everything inside the arc went to the endline spots.
Interesting. I used the rocket ship when it was a thing. However, the NFHS is trying to idiot-proof the spots where the ball goes.
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Old Mon May 26, 2025, 09:26am
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Interesting. I used the rocket ship when it was a thing. However, the NFHS is trying to idiot-proof the spots where the ball goes.
As much as it is being put in place so players and coaches can easily discern the throw in spot, it's also in place because of the laziness and inattention to detail many officials have shown over the years.

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Interesting. I used the rocket ship when it was a thing. However, the NFHS is trying to idiot-proof the spots where the ball goes.
Coaches were arguing over the location of a throw-in, now we do have that debate in the FC.

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Old Wed May 28, 2025, 09:27am
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Can anyone confirm my personal interpretation of the new rules regarding basket interference and slapping the backboard while still leaving the Ralph Sampson Rule in place?
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Best I can say is that in NCAA Men's basketball, slapping the backboard is basket interference if it vibrates the ring while the ball is on it.

I'd have to look back, but I would think Jeff probably provided the Men's interpretation.
The college interpretation was simple. If the ball was influenced by the vibrating of the backboard or rim because of a slap, then you could call BI on these plays. Simply hitting the backboard was not enough because sometimes the ball never made it on the basket or rim, even if there was a slap. Still some judgment, but that was how it was interpreted. Now, what the NF will ultimately say or use is still up for some debate. I believe they are adopting the current college interpretation, but they tend to retain some aspects specific to the NF. Just look at the rollout with the flopping and how many iterations of that application that was mulled over and still are being mulled over.

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Old Tue May 27, 2025, 11:15am
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7-5-4: This rule change updates the procedure for determining the designated throw-in spot following a stoppage of play (not due to the ball going out of bounds) in the frontcourt.
So, what if there is a stoppage of play in the Backcourt? Rocket Ship? Or use existing 3-point marking?
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Old Tue May 27, 2025, 12:31pm
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7-5-4: This rule change updates the procedure for determining the designated throw-in spot following a stoppage of play (not due to the ball going out of bounds) in the frontcourt.
So, what if there is a stoppage of play in the Backcourt? Rocket Ship? Or use existing 3-point marking?
The rocket ship should still apply in the backcourt. In NFHS rules now, any stoppage in the frontcourt, other than OOB, uses the 4 designated spots.
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Old Tue May 27, 2025, 02:29pm
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The rocket ship should still apply in the backcourt. In NFHS rules now, any stoppage in the frontcourt, other than OOB, uses the 4 designated spots.
The Rocket Ship lives on to blast off again!
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The rocket ship should still apply in the backcourt. In NFHS rules now, any stoppage in the frontcourt, other than OOB, uses the 4 designated spots.
We are going to have to get that explained or more wording. Because right now, it seems like this is for everywhere on the court. I would doubt the NF would have two different diagrams based on the FC and BC. But stranger things have happened.

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