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B-Ref Sun Mar 03, 2024 01:59pm

Ball lodged...or is it?
 
A player shoots the ball and it appears to be lodged between the rim and backboard. Most players stop their movements, thinking it is stuck. The officials do not blow their whistles. The ball, however, is actually, ever-so-slightly, moving when a player jumps and dislodges it.

Is this some sort of goaltending or basket interference at all?

bob jenkins Sun Mar 03, 2024 03:49pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by B-Ref (Post 1052188)
A player shoots the ball and it appears to be lodged between the rim and backboard. Most players stop their movements, thinking it is stuck. The officials do not blow their whistles. The ball, however, is actually, ever-so-slightly, moving when a player jumps and dislodges it.

Is this some sort of goaltending or basket interference at all?

Not sure I see how this happened, but in FED to be goaltending the shot must be above the ring and on the way down. To be BI, the ball must be ON the ring or in the cylinder.

Neither happened in your play, as I envision it.

(Specific rules might vary on other codes)

BillyMac Sun Mar 03, 2024 07:39pm

Basket Interference ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by B-Ref (Post 1052188)
A player shoots the ball and it appears to be lodged between the rim and backboard. Most players stop their movements, thinking it is stuck. The officials do not blow their whistles. The ball, however, is actually, ever-so-slightly, moving when a player jumps and dislodges it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1052190)
... in FED ... To be BI, the ball must be ON the ring or in the cylinder.

Basket interference.

The brace is part of the basket.

1-10-1: Basket: Each basket must consist of a single metal ring, 18 inches in inside diameter, its flange and braces, and a white-cord 12-mesh net, 15 to 18 inches in length, suspended from beneath the ring.

4-6-1: Basket interference occurs when a player: Touches the ball or any part of the basket (including the net) while the ball is on or within either basket.

bob jenkins Sun Mar 03, 2024 08:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1052191)
Basket interference.

The brace is part of the basket.

1-10-1: Basket: Each basket must consist of a single metal ring, 18 inches in inside diameter, its flange and braces, and a white-cord 12-mesh net, 15 to 18 inches in length, suspended from beneath the ring.

4-6-1: Basket interference occurs when a player: Touches the ball or any part of the basket (including the net) while the ball is on or within either basket.

If the ball is lodged, it's not "ON" the basket.

BillyMac Mon Mar 04, 2024 12:33pm

On The Basket ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1052192)
If the ball is lodged, it's not "ON" the basket.

Semantics. Maybe you're right?

On: Preposition
- used as a function word to indicate position in contact with and supported by the top surface of
- used as a function word to indicate position in or in contact with an outer surface
- used as a function word to indicate position in close proximity with
- used as a function word to indicate the location of something
- used as a function word to indicate a source of attachment or support

On: Adverb
- in or into a position of contact with an upper surface especially so as to be positioned for use or operation
- in or into a position of being attached to or covering a surface

BillyMac Tue Mar 05, 2024 02:50pm

Falling Into The Basket ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by B-Ref (Post 1052188)
A player shoots the ball and it appears to be lodged between the rim and backboard. Most players stop their movements, thinking it is stuck. The officials do not blow their whistles. The ball, however, is actually, ever-so-slightly, moving when a player jumps and dislodges it. Is this some sort
... basket interference at all?

Does it matter that the lodged ball has absolutely no chance of falling and ending up in the basket, thus no basket interference, offensive or defensive, should be called?

BillyMac Wed Mar 06, 2024 11:53am

Basketball Rules Fundamental Sixteen ...
 
If the ball is touched by a player after it lodges and but before an official gets a chance to sound a whistle, does this apply?

Basketball Rules Fundamentals
16. The official’s whistle seldom causes the ball to become dead (it is already dead).


Thus, no basket interference.

B-Ref Sat Mar 09, 2024 01:01pm

Thanks for the info, much appreciated.


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