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bob jenkins Thu Feb 22, 2024 12:50pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by bwburke94 (Post 1052137)
It's a technical foul, but it's also an intentional foul. This is the type of thing non-officials (myself included) can get confused on.
It's an intentional TECHNICAL foul, not an intentional PERSONAL foul

Valley Man Thu Feb 22, 2024 01:32pm
Can I make this float?

Team Technical Foul (6 participating at a time)
Flagrant Intentional Foul (the ball is live/not dead)(contact that neutralizes obvious advantage)
Unsuccessful 3 point try

Shooter gets 3 shots (fouled in act of shooting)(flagrant/player disqualified)
Any eligible player 2 shots (team technical for 6 participating and discovered)
Ball nearest the spot of the intentional foul

We have to have adjudication that covers if the damn shot goes in!!

bob jenkins Thu Feb 22, 2024 02:05pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Valley Man (Post 1052140)
Can we piece together this for a ruling?

Team Technical Foul (6 participating at a time)
Flagrant Personal Foul (the ball is live/not dead)
Unsuccessful 3 point try

Shooter gets 3 shots (fouled in act of shooting)(flagrant/player disqualified)
Any eligible player 2 shots (team technical for 6 participating and discovered)
Ball at division line
You might as well add:

Entering without reporting
Baiting and taunting
Standing at the team bench
Leaving the confines when a fight might break out (as it might, here)
Wearing an illegal uniform (if part of the warm up is still on)
On the coach for allowing a player to leave the bench for an unauthorized reason

Or, we could just follow the interp. Two Ts, 4 FTs.

Valley Man Thu Feb 22, 2024 02:26pm
I understand the interp for blocking the shot.

There is no penalty for fouling a 3 point shooter if we apply that interp to this.

Ball is gone and you score it if it goes (so ball is not dead)

But no penalty if it doesnt?

bob jenkins Thu Feb 22, 2024 03:36pm
4 FTs for a 3-point shot seems like a "penalty" to me.

SNIPERBBB Thu Feb 22, 2024 11:00pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Valley Man (Post 1052142)
I understand the interp for blocking the shot.

There is no penalty for fouling a 3 point shooter if we apply that interp to this.

Ball is gone and you score it if it goes (so ball is not dead)

But no penalty if it doesnt?
Only way you can get to the "foul" is if the player was on court the whole time. You can't with a straight face say that a player you just watched come off the bench was an extra participant you didnt catch before resuming play at the last dead ball.

Offended team ought to be happy with the 4 FT's and the ball, assuming nobody retaliates against the player that came off the bench.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Thu Feb 22, 2024 11:33pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1052128)
situation 12: Team b has just scored to go up by three points with time running out in the fourth quarter. Player a1 inbounds the ball to a2 close to the sideline of team b's bench. A2 releases a three-point try just prior to the horn sounding. Substitute b7 leaves the bench area, enters the court and blocks the shot. Ruling: B7 shall be charged with two technical fouls and ejected. One technical foul is assessed for entering the court without permission and one for unsporting conduct. Any member of team a may shoot the four free throws for the technical fouls. The results of these free throws will determine if the game is over or going into overtime. Comment: Two technical fouls must be assessed in this situation. Otherwise, the team committing the infraction would benefit from the act. (10-4-1; 10-4-2)

👍

MTD, Sr.

Jqb12 Fri Feb 23, 2024 01:26pm
Appreciate all the comments and help on this one

BillyMac Fri Feb 23, 2024 01:34pm
Continuous Motions ...
 
Under any circumstance (blocked shot, or foul), will the basket count if the ball ends up in the basket?

Continuous motion or dead ball immediately?

Yes, blocked shots can be deflected and still go in the basket. Not all blocked shots end up going out the exit door into the parking lot.

Valley Man Fri Feb 23, 2024 01:58pm
Don't see how you can count it if you are not awarding FT if it is missed.:D

BillyMac Fri Feb 23, 2024 02:52pm
Blocked Shot ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Valley Man (Post 1052148)
Don't see how you can count it if you are not awarding FT if it is missed.
How about a blocked (deflected) shot (no foul) that goes in (similar, but different, than the interpretation)?

Dead ball immediately?

bob jenkins Fri Feb 23, 2024 03:49pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1052147)
Under any circumstance (blocked shot, or foul), will the basket count if the ball ends up in the basket?

Continuous motion or dead ball immediately?

Yes, blocked shots can be deflected and still go in the basket. Not all blocked shots end up going out the exit door into the parking lot.
If the ball is in flight, it will count.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Fri Feb 23, 2024 04:27pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1052147)
Under any circumstance (blocked shot, or foul), will the basket count if the ball ends up in the basket?

Continuous motion or dead ball immediately?

Yes, blocked shots can be deflected and still go in the basket. Not all blocked shots end up going out the exit door into the parking lot.

The Continuous Motion Rule is in effect until the FGA is successful or unsuccessful. There for if the FGA had been successful, with the FTAs for the two TFs, this Situation has the potential to be at least a 7 point play.

MTD, Sr.


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