2 person mechanic - high school
 

Player shoots a '3' from leads area. Lead holds up one hand signaling a '3' attempt. Attempt is successful. Does lead also raise up other arm displaying a good 3? Or lead does nothing else & trail now raises for good 3?
Thanks

Lead signals the made 3 point attempt and Trail mirrors the made basket

If lead is watching the ball go into the basket, who’s watching action under the basket?

Also the lead and the T. Use your peripheral vision, and/or watch the actions of the players.

If a 3 is being attempted from the Lead’s PCA in 2-man, then the Lead has the shooter and any defenders. The Trail must recognize that the Lead is occupied with this action (signaled by the Lead indicating a 3 point attempt by raising one arm), and shift his focus to the rebounding action in the FT lane.

I could always see both. We don't have to be lasered focus on one object. There are 10 players, 4 boundary lines, a division line, and a ball. We have to be able to look at at more than one thing at a time.

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Missouri Zoochy "Shows" Us ...
 

Can't speak for NFHS mechanics, but I agree with Zoochy 100% for IAABO mechanics.

"Reverse" is not true.

If the trail "marks" (three fingers) and signals ("touchdown") the made three point attempt, the lead does NOT mirror the made three point basket ("touchdown").

This all goes back over forty years, back when the trail signaled ALL successful baskets, two fingers for a field goal (no threes back then) and one finger for a free throw.

As the trail on successful free throws (one, last of two, last of three, one and one), I still find myself occasionally not only slowly and inconspicuously dropping my "chop" hand (no "chop" needed on successful free throws) but also conspicuously signalling one point with one finger.

Old habits die hard.

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The lead if it is in their primary, signals the attempt and signals the successful attempt. The Trail mirrors only the successful attempt, never the attempt alone if out of their primary.

Peace

Just an educated opinion.
 

You are doing 2 person, not three person. It is silly to me to act like the lead never sees the ball go in the basket. For one you have to cover a lot of area as opposed to 3 person. And if the lead can see the ball go in at 3 person, so can a 2 person lead. And players often tell you when the ball goes in. If they stop going for a rebound, chances are the ball went in. You also can see it out of your peripheral vision which will mean you can concentrate on the rebounding action at the basket. You cannot even in 3 person be so laser-focused that you are not aware of anything else around. You have to kind of be aware of other things and have an opinion about those things. That is different than ball watching the ball at the top of the key, but you can know the ball is at the top of the key.

Peace

Peripheral Vision ...
 

Pretty much agree with everything that JRutledge stated.

However, there are times, when as the lead, especially in a block charge situation when I'm calling a block, and there are bodies on the floor after the train wreck, and I get a strong feeling that there's a good possibility that the ball went in (players, bench, crowd reactions, etc.), I really appreciate my partner confirming (orally or by signal) that the "ball went in the basket".

This happens in 3 person too. Even as an outside official this can happen where they do not see the ball go in. Heck I have been known to personally ask. But it is not always an either/or situation like people love to make it out to be. But if the ball goes in and my partner has not signaled, I go to them and say what you stated. Then let them determine what we are doing after the call.

Also if you did not signal, the calling officials like normal should tell everyone the result of that shot. Either "no basket" or "count it" to the table, then report the specific foul and result.

Peace

Ask, And It Shall Be Given (Matthew 7:7) ...
 

Perfect followup post JRutledge.

Big difference between that play, where you are most likely on top of the play and/or looking down and can't see the basket as opposed to a 3-pointer from your primary where you should be wide and from there can see everything from the floor to the rim once you turn you eyes towards the lane.

Protect The Shooter All The Way Back Down To The Floor ...
 

Agree.

Only problem could be on a late contested three point try, where the defender decides to over aggressively box out (protect the shooter all the way back down to the floor) the shooter with two bodies ending up on the floor. I could see myself occasionally (more likely rarely) needing help from my partner to confirm if the ball went in the basket.

The OP said he couldn't see the basket and what's under the basket at the same time. If he has taken his eyes off the shooter towards the goal, there is no reason he can't see the rebounding action and the status of the ball simultaneously.

Rare Exceptions ...
 

Agree.

My most recent post was a different situation with a possible foul on the three point shooter that ended with bodies on the floor.

Any general statement that the lead should always (opposite of never) be able to see if the ball goes in the basket, while generally true, may have some rare exceptions, which is exactly why we have a partner on our team.

Many of us have probably worked at least one one person game in our careers, and we know how difficult it can be to see everything (because we can't).

The time when it is probably harder to see the ball go in from the lead is a three-pointer in the corner and you have to watch the defender if there is one run at the shooter. You often have to stay with that play longer. Sometimes it is wide open. But either way, if you are wider as you should be, you can turn if there is no threat to the basket and rebounding area. The Trail should also be prepared to help in those situations as no one else might be watching. Again, get open looks and try to see the entire play. Rebounding under the basket can come from the Trail too. And honestly, there are times when as Trail I might be focused on the rebounding, I do not automatically see the ball go in. You have to do so much more in 2 person to cover plays than in 3 person.

Peace

The trail.

Plus, if the lead is positioned correctly by mirroring the ball (and this is a big reason why we mirror the ball), the lead will be able to see a lot more of the action towards the lane. If the lead doesn't mirror the ball, they have to turn their vision so far out to cover the 3-pointer, they lose sight of anything towards the lane. Instead, they see the shooter and what is behind them (spectators, bleachers, or a wall). If they move out to the 3-point line, they instead see the shooter and at least half of the court.

Scorer ...
 

Forty-plus years and only once did neither my partner nor I know if the ball went in, or not.

I was the trail, I called and reported the blocking foul (a train wreck with bodies on the floor in the lane), didn't signal a basket (I didn't see it go in), and stated two free throws. Fully expected the lead to take the call, but she swallowed her whistle and I had to come in to "save the day" (this train wreck needed a whistle).

Coach politely questioned me. I went to my lead rookie partner, who couldn't offer any help (the story of the game).

Went to the scorer, who confirmed that the ball went in the basket. Thank you scorer.

I had to cover two primary coverage areas for that entire game, mine and hers.

Same game, same partner, sounded her whistle and stated "incidental contact". Probably meant to say "inadvertent whistle".

Thank God I never saw her again after that game. According to her, she's a pretty good field hockey official. I find that hard to believe.

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And we signaled FTs with one finger. No, not that finger, lol.

MTD, Sr.