2 person mechanic - high school

[bbman]

Player shoots a '3' from leads area. Lead holds up one hand signaling a '3' attempt. Attempt is successful. Does lead also raise up other arm displaying a good 3? Or lead does nothing else & trail now raises for good 3?
Thanks

[Zoochy]

Lead signals the made 3 point attempt and Trail mirrors the made basket

[bbman]

If lead is watching the ball go into the basket, who’s watching action under the basket?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by bbman

If lead is watching the ball go into the basket, who’s watching action under the basket?

Also the lead and the T. Use your peripheral vision, and/or watch the actions of the players.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by bbman

If lead is watching the ball go into the basket, who’s watching action under the basket?

If a 3 is being attempted from the Lead’s PCA in 2-man, then the Lead has the shooter and any defenders. The Trail must recognize that the Lead is occupied with this action (signaled by the Lead indicating a 3 point attempt by raising one arm), and shift his focus to the rebounding action in the FT lane.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bbman

If lead is watching the ball go into the basket, who’s watching action under the basket?

I could always see both. We don't have to be lasered focus on one object. There are 10 players, 4 boundary lines, a division line, and a ball. We have to be able to look at at more than one thing at a time.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

Lead signals the made 3 point attempt and Trail mirrors the made basket

Can't speak for NFHS mechanics, but I agree with Zoochy 100% for IAABO mechanics.

"Reverse" is not true.

If the trail "marks" (three fingers) and signals ("touchdown") the made three point attempt, the lead does NOT mirror the made three point basket ("touchdown").

This all goes back over forty years, back when the trail signaled ALL successful baskets, two fingers for a field goal (no threes back then) and one finger for a free throw.

As the trail on successful free throws (one, last of two, last of three, one and one), I still find myself occasionally not only slowly and inconspicuously dropping my "chop" hand (no "chop" needed on successful free throws) but also conspicuously signalling one point with one finger.

Old habits die hard.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bbman

Player shoots a '3' from leads area. Lead holds up one hand signaling a '3' attempt. Attempt is successful. Does lead also raise up other arm displaying a good 3? Or lead does nothing else & trail now raises for good 3?
Thanks

The lead if it is in their primary, signals the attempt and signals the successful attempt. The Trail mirrors only the successful attempt, never the attempt alone if out of their primary.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bbman

If lead is watching the ball go into the basket, who’s watching action under the basket?

You are doing 2 person, not three person. It is silly to me to act like the lead never sees the ball go in the basket. For one you have to cover a lot of area as opposed to 3 person. And if the lead can see the ball go in at 3 person, so can a 2 person lead. And players often tell you when the ball goes in. If they stop going for a rebound, chances are the ball went in. You also can see it out of your peripheral vision which will mean you can concentrate on the rebounding action at the basket. You cannot even in 3 person be so laser-focused that you are not aware of anything else around. You have to kind of be aware of other things and have an opinion about those things. That is different than ball watching the ball at the top of the key, but you can know the ball is at the top of the key.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It is silly to me to act like the lead never sees the ball go in the basket ... And players often tell you when the ball goes in. If they stop going for a rebound, chances are the ball went in. You also can see it out of your peripheral vision which will mean you can concentrate on the rebounding action at the basket ... You have to kind of be aware of other things and have an opinion about those things.

Pretty much agree with everything that JRutledge stated.

However, there are times, when as the lead, especially in a block charge situation when I'm calling a block, and there are bodies on the floor after the train wreck, and I get a strong feeling that there's a good possibility that the ball went in (players, bench, crowd reactions, etc.), I really appreciate my partner confirming (orally or by signal) that the "ball went in the basket".

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Pretty much agree with everything that JRutledge stated.

However, there are times, when as the lead, especially in a block charge situation when I'm calling a block, and there are bodies on the floor after the train wreck, and I get a strong feeling that there's a good possibility that the ball went in (players, bench, crowd reactions, etc.), I really appreciate my partner confirming (orally or by signal) that the "ball went in the basket".

This happens in 3 person too. Even as an outside official this can happen where they do not see the ball go in. Heck I have been known to personally ask. But it is not always an either/or situation like people love to make it out to be. But if the ball goes in and my partner has not signaled, I go to them and say what you stated. Then let them determine what we are doing after the call.

Also if you did not signal, the calling officials like normal should tell everyone the result of that shot. Either "no basket" or "count it" to the table, then report the specific foul and result.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Heck I have been known to personally ask ... But if the ball goes in and my partner has not signaled, I go to them and say what you stated. Then let them determine what we are doing after the call. Also if you did not signal, the calling officials like normal should tell everyone the result of that shot. Either "no basket" or "count it" to the table, then report the specific foul and result.

Perfect followup post JRutledge.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

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However, there are times, when as the lead, especially in a block charge situation when I'm calling a block, and there are bodies on the floor after the train wreck, and I get a strong feeling that there's a good possibility that the ball went in (players, bench, crowd reactions, etc.), I really appreciate my partner confirming (orally or by signal) that the "ball went in the basket".

Big difference between that play, where you are most likely on top of the play and/or looking down and can't see the basket as opposed to a 3-pointer from your primary where you should be wide and from there can see everything from the floor to the rim once you turn you eyes towards the lane.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Big difference between that play, where you are most likely on top of the play and/or looking down and can't see the basket as opposed to a 3-pointer from your primary where you should be wide and from there can see everything from the floor to the rim once you turn you eyes towards the lane.

Agree.

Only problem could be on a late contested three point try, where the defender decides to over aggressively box out (protect the shooter all the way back down to the floor) the shooter with two bodies ending up on the floor. I could see myself occasionally (more likely rarely) needing help from my partner to confirm if the ball went in the basket.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Agree.

Only problem could be on a late contested three point try, where the defender decides to over aggressively box out (protect the shooter all the way back down to the floor) the shooter with two bodies ending up on the floor. I could see myself occasionally (more likely rarely) needing help from my partner to confirm if the ball went in the basket.

The OP said he couldn't see the basket and what's under the basket at the same time. If he has taken his eyes off the shooter towards the goal, there is no reason he can't see the rebounding action and the status of the ball simultaneously.