Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1047041)

Did the timer at some point notice that the scorer did not record a delay of game warning and asked them about it? If so, yes they should get with the crew chief at some point.

Originally Posted by Mike Goodwin (Post 1047042)

I hope it's different where you are, Ray, but I could almost bet that 10 of 10 that timers & scorekeepers I've had on my crew wouldn't know anything about assessing a delay warning along with the IPF unless an official specifically said so.

Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1047043)

I'm going by FlasherZ's situation. He should have at some point brought it up to the on-court crew.

Originally Posted by Mike Goodwin (Post 1047040)

I still maintain that if the crew misapplies a rule, there is a point when it becomes too late to penalize.

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1047022)

What if this was "discovered" two minutes into the first period? Too late?

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1047022)

For the first half, A4 is neither charged with any additional technical fouls nor any personal fouls.

Originally Posted by crosscountry55 (Post 1047045)

As floor officials, we can help with this by ingratiating ourselves with the table personnel before the game.

Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1047043)

I'm going by FlasherZ's situation. He should have at some point brought it up to the on-court crew.

Originally Posted by crosscountry55 (Post 1047045)

This is a great take-away. More table officials should have the courage to share information with floor officials.

Originally Posted by FlasherZ (Post 1047093)

We're digressing from the original point of the post, but I'd like to address this.

Yes, I could have stopped the inbounds to have an official come over to notify him. However, the official scorer was correct, the two officials were opposite side (nowhere near the table), we had a student volunteer scoreboard operator without a lot of expertise, and coaches are told not to know their situation and not rely upon the scoreboard for anything but time and the score (especially in junior high games). So among all the other things going on, it didn't rank in priority to call over the officials to note that we corrected the team fouls on the scoreboard.

It's a junior high school game with 2-man court crew, student timer, and unpaid father as a scorekeeper. I have the courage to share information with the floor officials, because I believe what crosscountry wrote, above, but there are many times I've gotten the holier-than-thou attitude from game officials. At halftime of one game this year, "DON'T SWITCH THE ARROW UNTIL I'VE TOLD YOU TO!!!" was literally yelled at me after I noted that I had already switched it (and we keep the backup arrow on the scoreboard as well, which isn't subject to switching at halftime).

In fact, many of those officials don't even know that I have done my share of officiating games. The ones that do, know that they have a third man sitting at the table to help them out and we get along really well. Others feel like they have to "own the show". Those that consider the table crew partners are good officials... there are too many that do not consider them partners.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 1047006)

Looking for some feedback on a messed up situation. What should they do?

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 1047015)

... serious input from the Forum on a situation for a friend ...

Originally Posted by FlasherZ (Post 1047093)

... student volunteer scoreboard operator without a lot of expertise, and coaches are told not to know their situation and not rely upon the scoreboard for anything but time and the score (especially in junior high games).

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 1047006)

Looking for some feedback on a messed up situation.

What should they do?
DQ A4 prior to the start of the third quarter or deem the wrongly charged T something which cannot be changed at this point?

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1047149)

I don't think it's covered, but I'd charge A4 with the T and DQ him.

Originally Posted by Mike Goodwin (Post 1047147)

I don't believe the question in the OP has been addressed satisfactorily, rather a different question later on was.



Are we "retroactively" disqualifying A4, even after a confirmed misapplication of a rule, or does the the crew

have to "embrace the suck" and allow A4 to continue to participate?



Known-rules experts on this forum have, inexplicably, not yet weighed in.

Originally Posted by Mike Goodwin (Post 1047147)

Are we "retroactively" disqualifying A4 ...

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1047022)

A4 dunks during the pregame. The officials observe this and assess a team technical foul along with an indirect to the HC. For the first half, A4 is neither charged with any additional technical fouls nor any personal fouls. At halftime the crew looks in the rulebook and sees that the technical for the pregame dunk should have been charged to A4 as a bench technical foul. What does the referee do coming out after halftime in this "low emotion, low impact" situation?