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Ancient Times ...

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Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1046589)

Definitely better than having a bulge in your pocket and then all the single moms are wondering "is that your whistle or are you just happy to see me?"

Nice post Raymond.

In ancient times, before the alternating possession arrow was invented, and before the pea-less Fox-40 whistle was invented, we used to carry an extra whistle (Acme Thunderer or Shield Trumpeter) in case the pea got stuck, or fell apart.

The cool guys that didn't use a lanyard (many in ancient times) had the extra whistle in case their whistle was spit out and stepped on.

Am I right Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.?

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1046581)

It's great that you have such a great memory. I don't. You must not work a lot of girls middle school games.

Post of the week nominee.

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Count me in the camp of using my “pocket arrow” and switching it as soon as the call is made. In that moment, my memory is fresh enough to know I’m giving the ball to the correct team, and in the unusual situation that the arrow is postponed, the mere fact that this is unusual is enough to remind me to switch it back. Never had a problem with this.

In games with a good arrow display where the table demonstrates competence, I’ll usually stop using my pocket whistle and convert to just making sure the arrow is switched after timeouts or the beginnings of periods. When it doesn’t, I address it first dead ball and/or when I run by.

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Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1046537)

During/after a time-out, I remind my partners and the table that we will be having an AP throw-in.

If we have something that precludes the AP throw-in, I inform the table we will not be switching the arrow after the throw-in.

Should be basic communications practices that are passed down through training.

If I have a table that appears to be on the ball, I'll give a reminder held ball signal before pointing in the direction of the throw-in coming out of the time out.

If it's a table that's more inexperienced - especially at a lower level game (namely subvarsity, middle school, or CYO) - I've been known to remind them that the throw in following the time out is for a held ball and we need to switch the arrow as appropriate.

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Originally Posted by Stat-Man (Post 1046682)

If I have a table that appears to be on the ball, I'll give a reminder held ball signal before pointing in the direction of the throw-in coming out of the time out.

Good technique. Nice and simple.

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Originally Posted by Stat-Man (Post 1046682)

I remind the table that we still have the arrow on such situations regardless of the experience of the table. I may phrase it differently, but I always do it. We're in a timeout and it easy to do to prevent any issue so why not do it?

When The Ball Is Dead, We Must Be Alive ...

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Originally Posted by Altor (Post 1046535)

Held ball under H's basket. Arrow points other way. V-Coach calls full timeout. I thought to myself at the time ... "They are going to forget to switch the arrow."

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Originally Posted by Stat-Man (Post 1046682)

If I have a table that appears to be on the ball, I'll give a reminder held ball signal before pointing in the direction of the throw-in coming out of the time out. If it's a table that's more inexperienced - especially at a lower level game (namely subvarsity, middle school, or CYO) - I've been known to remind them that the throw in following the time out is for a held ball and we need to switch the arrow as appropriate.

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 1046689)

I reminder the table that we still have the arrow on such situations regardless of the experience of the table. I may phrase it differently, but I always do it. We're in a timeout and it easy to do to prevent any issue so why not do it?

Thanks to Stat-Man and Camron Rust for getting us back to one of the important points of the original post, the possibility of something distracting the officials and/or the table over thirty or sixty seconds that the call was a held ball, the need to "officially" change the table arrow after the throwin after the timeout, and something to be on the alert for.

Had an article published a few years ago, When The Ball Is Dead, We Must Be Alive. Unfortunately, I failed to cover this held ball/timeout situation.

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