block/charge call

[bbman]

On a 'charge call', can the defender be moving?
ie...offensive player driving to basket, defender has established a legal guarding position, but is moving during contact.
Thanks in advance

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by bbman

On a 'charge call', can the defender be moving?
ie...offensive player driving to basket, defender has established a legal guarding position, but is moving during contact.
Thanks in advance

Yes. IF the defender is moving backwards or obliquely, and doesn't move into the path after the offense goes airborne. Or if the defense is just turning to absorb contact.

"Must be set" is a complete myth.

[WI_Ref]

Absolutely the defender can be moving!

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Yes. IF the defender is moving backwards or obliquely, and doesn't move into the path after the offense goes airborne. Or if the defense is just turning to absorb contact.



"Must be set" is a complete myth.

Always listen to bob

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

"Must be set" is a complete myth.

The Most Misunderstood NFHS Basketball Rules
A defensive player does not have to remain stationary to take a charge. A defender may turn away, or duck, to absorb contact, provided the defender has already established legal guarding position, which is both feet on the playing court, and facing the opponent. The defender can always move backwards, or sideways, to maintain a legal guarding position, and may even have one or both feet off the floor when contact occurs. That player may legally rise vertically. If the defender is moving forward, then the contact is caused by the defender, which is a blocking foul. If the opponent with the ball is airborne, the defender must have obtained legal position before the opponent left the floor.

Things Officials Should Probably Not Be Saying In A Game
“He wasn’t set”, is often an official’s answer to a coach who is questioning a blocking foul on his player. This implies that a defensive player must be set, and can’t move, to take a charge, while, in reality, the rules say otherwise. A defensive player does not have to remain stationary to take a charge. A defender may turn away or duck to absorb contact, provided he, or she, has already established legal guarding position, which is both feet on the playing court and facing the opponent. The defender can always move backwards, or sideways, to maintain a legal guarding position, and may even have one, or both feet, off the floor when contact occurs. That player may legally rise vertically. However, if the defender is moving forward, then the contact is caused by the defender, which, in this case, is a blocking foul.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bbman

On a 'charge call', can the defender be moving?
ie...offensive player driving to basket, defender has established a legal guarding position, but is moving during contact.
Thanks in advance

I'm interested to know what inspired you to post this question? Did someone quote a rule to you that said a defender could not be moving?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Did someone quote a rule to you that said a defender could not be moving?

Probably a coach.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Probably a coach.

Coaches don't quote rules.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Coaches don't quote rules.

They try, but often fail.

One of my favorites:

"Yes, I agree that it definitely was excessive contact, but that is not an intentional foul."

Coaches. Hard to officiate with them. Hard to officiate without them.

[Raymond]

Like I said, coaches don't quote rules.

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[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Did someone quote a rule to you that said a defender could not be moving?

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Probably a coach.

Nah, it was Jay Bilas.


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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Nah, it was Jay Bilas.

My nomination of Post O' The Month.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Probably a coach.

And why are we listening to them again? What process do coaches go through to know any rule extensively? Just like what process does an official go through to break down multiple offenses and multiple defenses? Stay in your lane.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And why are we listening to them again?

Because the biggest complaint that coaches have against officials (at least, by a CIAC survey here in Connecticut) is that officials don't listen, so we pretend to listen. I'm really good at this, ask my ex-wife.

And sometimes coaches are so loud that it's impossible not to listen to them. This is sometimes followed by the coach sitting on a cold bus the parking lot.

[BryanV21]

Just like I do as a retail manager, allowing customers to think they are always right, as an official I'll pretend to care about what a coach is whining about.

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