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BillyMac Sat Dec 18, 2021 12:28pm

Unfunded Mandate ...
 
Quote from PIAA (Pennsylvania) executive director Bob Lombardi. “Some school administrators already consider the shot clock an "unfunded mandate" for schools, since they'd need to buy equipment and pay someone to operate it”.

BillyMac Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:50am

The Beehive State ...
 
Add Utah to the shot clock list.

https://news.yahoo.com/utah-high-sch...hssrp_catchall

California, Georgia, Iowa, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, North Dakota, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Washington, Montana, and Utah.

Not sure about Pennsylvania.

The dominoes are falling.

Raymond Mon Jan 31, 2022 11:56am

https://www.athleticbusiness.com/ope...799D8323467F5A

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BillyMac Mon Jan 31, 2022 12:02pm

Unintended Consequences ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond;1046729[url
https://www.athleticbusiness.com/operations/budgeting/article/15287763/small-high-school-concern-over-shot-clock-cost-staffing?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_email=email&utm _term=&utm_medium=6799D8323467F5A&oly_enc_id=6799D 8323467F5A[/url]

Nice article. While these concerns were provably not unanticipated, they are nevertheless still real.

tnolan Mon Jan 31, 2022 03:34pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1046731)
Nice article. While these concerns were provably not unanticipated, they are nevertheless still real.

Ditto.

When speaking with NY officials about when they implemented theirs, they didn't seem to think the transition was all that bad.
I see both positives and negatives to the addition of a shot clock in HS. It could potentially lead to some nice additional rules as well, that I'd be in favor of.
Then again, I have experience with shot clocks and I also know that no matter a good or bad operator, as an official, you still need to be on top of your clock management at every second...At worst though, you need 1 great clock aware official on a crew to fully manage a bad shot clock.

The article brings up an interesting point about the reasoning behind it and if there are better ways to better the game....

paulsonj72 Tue Mar 15, 2022 04:26pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1045787)
Minnesota is a real maverick.

Besides a shot clock, I also believe that they use a restricted area, play in halves, the home team wears dark jerseys, and they're sticking to the "punch" signal.

Nevadaref's post also confirms that all three states that border Connecticut use shot clocks.

Connecticut is completely surrounded.

We can't hold out much longer.

It's only a matter of time for us.

Please send help.

https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.o...=0&w=251&h=179

Right on the halves, restricted area, and home team wears dark. Not sure about the punch signal as I haven’t been to a game this year.(I had triple bypass surgery right before Christmas and then got Covid three weeks later.

BillyMac Tue Mar 15, 2022 04:44pm

Be Well ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by paulsonj72 (Post 1047507)
I had triple bypass surgery right before Christmas and then got Covid three weeks later.

Ouch. My stents are keeping me on the court, and alive.

paulsonj72 Sun Mar 20, 2022 11:41pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1047508)
Ouch. My stents are keeping me on the court, and alive.

I had stents but they became blocked again so I underwent the surgery. Heart disease runs in the male side of my family. Getting Covid on top of it was an unwanted surprise. I have the side effect of still coughing. It was a mild case though as I was vaccinated

tnolan Tue Mar 22, 2022 09:19am

Sooner the better
 
Please bring the shot clock to PA. I'm ready. Let's do it.
I've always been pro-shot clock, but I think it's time.

We tend to always discuss "stalling" as the reason to implement the shot clock into HS bball, and I agree that it is a good reason. But looking at it from the other side, I also think that it would benefit teams who are trailing late in games. The potential opportunity for comebacks would increase when offensive possession time is limited.

Either way, any justification, pros/cons, whatever. I don't care how many issues or growing pains we have. I think the game needs it and could bring another level of excitement to HS bball.

BillyMac Tue Mar 22, 2022 10:20am

Exciting ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tnolan (Post 1047663)
I think the game needs it and could bring another level of excitement to HS bball.

What? The alternating possession arrow wasn't exciting enough for you?

ilyazhito Tue Mar 22, 2022 12:12pm

I would not call the AP arrow exciting. It reduces contested possessions to a coin flip.

I agree with tnolan on the shot clock, and would add that it restores the balance between offense and defense. If the offense has a limited time to shoot, they are forced to be more efficient with the time they do have. The defense can work in bursts to pressure the offense and prevent good shots.

BillyMac Tue Mar 22, 2022 12:35pm

Written Sarcasm Often Doesn't Work ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tnolan (Post 1047663)
... bring another level of excitement to HS bball.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1047666)
What? The alternating possession arrow wasn't exciting enough for you?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilyazhito (Post 1047677)
I would not call the AP arrow exciting.

My undergraduate teacher training taught me to never be sarcastic with my students. Based on my post-graduate teacher training training, I used the same policy with teachers I trained, and with teachers I evaluated.

I should know better.

ilyazhito Tue Mar 22, 2022 02:30pm

On the Internet, you can't hear intonation, or always tell that someone is being sarcastic, unless you see blue text or the /s tag.

ilyazhito Tue Mar 22, 2022 02:31pm

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Originally Posted by ilyazhito (Post 1047677)
I would not call the AP arrow exciting. It reduces contested possessions to a coin flip.

I agree with tnolan on the shot clock, and would add that it restores the balance between offense and defense. If the offense has a limited time to shoot, they are forced to be more efficient with the time they do have. The defense can work in bursts to pressure the offense and prevent good shots.

Enough of the off-topic digressions. I say good on MN for adopting the shot clock, and hopefully it helps basketball in their state.

BillyMac Tue Mar 22, 2022 02:42pm

Intonation ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ilyazhito (Post 1047688)
On the Internet, you can't hear intonation ...

Agree. But that probably won't stop me from trying.

And I'm not a big fan of the blue text.

It's like having to explain to someone why a joke is funny, it often ruins the joke.

https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.Z...=0&w=210&h=158

(Seinfeld, The Cartoon, 1998)


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