Minnesota approves HS shot clock for 2023
 

The Minnesota State High School League's Board of Directors unanimously approved a motion on Thursday to mandate the implementation of a shot clock at the varsity levels of boys and girls basketball, starting with the 2023-24 varsity season.

Minnesota joins California, Georgia, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, North Dakota, Rhode Island, South Dakota and Washington as the only states to use a 30- or 35-second shot clock.

The mandate only exists at the varsity level, but schools can also use them at lower levels if both schools agree to it. The shot clock will be 35 seconds.

In May, the NFHS urged the adoption of a shot clock across high school basketball with Rule 2-14 which states that each state association may adopt a shot lock beginning in the 2022-23 season — according to guidelines outlined in the Basketball Rules Book — to encourage standardization among states.

Maverick ...
 

Minnesota is a real maverick.

Besides a shot clock, I also believe that they use a restricted area, play in halves, the home team wears dark jerseys, and they're sticking to the "punch" signal.

Nevadaref's post also confirms that all three states that border Connecticut use shot clocks.

Connecticut is completely surrounded.

We can't hold out much longer.

It's only a matter of time for us.

Please send help.

https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.o...=0&w=251&h=179

Awesome! By the way, Iowa also adopted the shot clock, which will be implemented in 2022-23.

Unstoppable ...
 

Be careful what you wish for. It may come true.

See The Monkey's Paw (W. W. Jacobs, 1902).

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You obviously didn't see my post about HS shot clocks in the NCAA thread.

Smokey Robinson And The Miracles, 1967 ...
 

I second the motion.

In states where shot clocks are only used in varsity games, the "step up the ladder" from middle school, freshman, and junior varsity games to varsity games will be enormous, especially in a two person state like Connecticut, where only one person in the varsity crew could have any real game shot clock experience.

Any progression "up the ladder" can be difficult, but at least (before shot clocks) the rules were the same at all levels, the games were very different, but the rules were the same, a travel in a freshman game is a travel in a varsity game, it's just that the varsity travel may be faster and harder to detect.

Working with a shot clock in a varsity game will be a whole new universe for officials on the way "up the ladder", especially with different table crews at different schools.

That's just my opinion. Some may say that the shot clock "step" is similar to the "step" in states that only have three person crews for varsity games, and not at lower levels, but there's no table crew to factor in for that "step", and as we all know, rules and mechanics are two completely different "animals".

Rumor has it that if, and when, Connecticut goes to a shot clock, it will probably be for all high school games, at all three levels.

While I'm not a big fan of high school shot clocks, if one is going to go with shot clocks, going at all high school levels is the way to go, getting young officials, and young players, ready for the next level.

I'm sure that Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. will be moseying by shortly to get up on his soap box and give us his "abomination" rant. I'm waiting with bated breath.

Keystone State ...
 

I have it on good authority that Pennsylvania is going to the shot clock next year.

This was some information that we were sent this week from the IHSA.

Not sure where this is going, but this is some preliminary information.

Peace

Thjanks ilyazhito ...
 

Interesting that the Illinois survey results that were published did not include the percentage of respondents that did not want a shot clock at all. That be some survey bias!

I did a private school tourney this weekend in which a 30-second shot clock was used. I don’t know why they bothered. It only got below 10 seconds twice the whole game, with zero violations. I did have to address resets several times though, as the shot clock operator was simultaneously the timer (bad plan).

Maybe your mileage will vary, but in Virginia, there are few quality offensive sets, so the shot clock remains an unnecessary gimmick. I’m glad we’re not in a hurry to implement it here.


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Who told you this? I need to know. Where are you getting your information from? Who does number 2 work for?!

Seemed Reliable ...
 

Greg Austin's Better Official You Tube "live" presentation.

I can't confirm on the internet. Sorry that I startled you.

Well if it was this week or last, I must've tuned out during that conversation.
LOL. I'm not scared. You woke me up from my 2 year nap/hiatus from the site!

Either way, I didn't think we (PA) would see the shot clock under the current administration. But things change and talking heads, so....

My fears echo most of yours from the previous posts. The jump from sub level to varsity would increase drastically if they chose to only implement it at the varsity level. In my district we're all 3 man for varsity, but that's not state-wide and from my stint in Women's NCAA, I know that there are plenty of shot clock issues even at the D2 level, and especially down to the D3 and JUCO levels...both on the operator and the official's side.

I can think of better ways to better the HS game. The shot clock rules aren't overly impossible as a ref and an operator, but they can certainly increase the amount of stoppages due to stop/start/restart issues when the idea is to have the game sped up.

Live Chat ...
 

I can't remember if it was actually read by Greg in the live stream, or just mentioned in the live chat, but I do remember that it was a "regular" live stream participant whom I thought to be reliable.

Of course, Abraham Lincoln used to say to not believe everything that one sees on You Tube. I read that on the internet, so it must be true.

June 10, 2021: https://news.yahoo.com/clock-piaa-di...100000199.html

I can't find anything newer from the past six months.

Well considering that the rule has been passed at the NF, it really only matters who supports the change and when. And it is clear that this is an uphill battle to bring this in if you know anything about the state or the position of coaches. I got from this that there is not much overall support for next year and might be harder without some cajoling like using it in tournaments.

Peace

Unfunded Mandate ...
 

Quote from PIAA (Pennsylvania) executive director Bob Lombardi. “Some school administrators already consider the shot clock an "unfunded mandate" for schools, since they'd need to buy equipment and pay someone to operate it”.

The Beehive State ...
 

Add Utah to the shot clock list.

https://news.yahoo.com/utah-high-sch...hssrp_catchall

California, Georgia, Iowa, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, North Dakota, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Washington, Montana, and Utah.

Not sure about Pennsylvania.

The dominoes are falling.

https://www.athleticbusiness.com/ope...799D8323467F5A

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Unintended Consequences ???
 

Nice article. While these concerns were provably not unanticipated, they are nevertheless still real.

Ditto.

When speaking with NY officials about when they implemented theirs, they didn't seem to think the transition was all that bad.
I see both positives and negatives to the addition of a shot clock in HS. It could potentially lead to some nice additional rules as well, that I'd be in favor of.
Then again, I have experience with shot clocks and I also know that no matter a good or bad operator, as an official, you still need to be on top of your clock management at every second...At worst though, you need 1 great clock aware official on a crew to fully manage a bad shot clock.

The article brings up an interesting point about the reasoning behind it and if there are better ways to better the game....

Right on the halves, restricted area, and home team wears dark. Not sure about the punch signal as I haven’t been to a game this year.(I had triple bypass surgery right before Christmas and then got Covid three weeks later.

Be Well ...
 

Ouch. My stents are keeping me on the court, and alive.

I had stents but they became blocked again so I underwent the surgery. Heart disease runs in the male side of my family. Getting Covid on top of it was an unwanted surprise. I have the side effect of still coughing. It was a mild case though as I was vaccinated

Sooner the better
 

Please bring the shot clock to PA. I'm ready. Let's do it.
I've always been pro-shot clock, but I think it's time.

We tend to always discuss "stalling" as the reason to implement the shot clock into HS bball, and I agree that it is a good reason. But looking at it from the other side, I also think that it would benefit teams who are trailing late in games. The potential opportunity for comebacks would increase when offensive possession time is limited.

Either way, any justification, pros/cons, whatever. I don't care how many issues or growing pains we have. I think the game needs it and could bring another level of excitement to HS bball.

Exciting ...
 

What? The alternating possession arrow wasn't exciting enough for you?

I would not call the AP arrow exciting. It reduces contested possessions to a coin flip.

I agree with tnolan on the shot clock, and would add that it restores the balance between offense and defense. If the offense has a limited time to shoot, they are forced to be more efficient with the time they do have. The defense can work in bursts to pressure the offense and prevent good shots.

Written Sarcasm Often Doesn't Work ...
 

My undergraduate teacher training taught me to never be sarcastic with my students. Based on my post-graduate teacher training training, I used the same policy with teachers I trained, and with teachers I evaluated.

I should know better.

On the Internet, you can't hear intonation, or always tell that someone is being sarcastic, unless you see blue text or the /s tag.

Enough of the off-topic digressions. I say good on MN for adopting the shot clock, and hopefully it helps basketball in their state.

Intonation ...
 

Agree. But that probably won't stop me from trying.

And I'm not a big fan of the blue text.

It's like having to explain to someone why a joke is funny, it often ruins the joke.

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Most of the shot clock CONS seem to come from the school side.
Scoreboard upgrades, costs, hardware, and personnel to operate.

Referee CONS seem to be more geared towards:
Learning curves, one more rule to worry about, operator error, and multiple stoppages.
In my opinion, once you've had a few goes at working with it, it's a simple/logical rule to apply. If this, then that. Add in a case or two, you're all set. You put leniency of time into play and it becomes a bit easier (allow 3-4 seconds for stop/start/reset issues) and your stoppages go way down. Add 3 minutes to your pregame routine and a quick run-through with the operator and you're in good shape.

I think it'll mesh into how everything else currently works. Some schools will be great and you'll have no issues, while others will be horrible. Shot clock mistakes can be made by officials, but I'd argue the majority are due to operator error (no offense to them personally). So as long as the coaches are aware that this brings in another layer, mostly at the table, I think everything will work out just fine for adding it to new states. Another rule for coaches to learn that they won't!

Ultimately the shot clock is for the game and not the kids, which is why I think we only see it in 12(?) states and not 50.

I don't know. With how the game evolves, I suspect we'll get to 50 states using the shot clock eventually. I'll probably not be working high school basketball by that time, though.