Fun With An Elbow To The Throat ...
Low Post Contact - is there a foul on this play? Is there a foul? Who should be charged? Does the Lead official have a good angle on the play?
https://storage.googleapis.com/refqu...4gaKHDvw%3D%3D Two choices: This is a team control foul. This is incidental contact - play on! My comment: This is a team control foul. Black #44 throws an elbow to the throat of White #30. |
Just call an illegal ward off and move on. I have no idea if there was any contact with the head or neck area, but she clearly pushes off to gain space with her arm. Call the illegal ward off and you do not have to worry about calling anything else IMO based on what we see.
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Clear TC foul.
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Above The Shoulders ???
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But I did give half a thought to an "above the shoulders" situation. Notice how White #30's head is thrown backward (don't think she's trying to win an Academy Award here). Just sayin'. |
Elbow To The Throat ...
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For The Good Of The Cause ...
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Examples of illegal contact above the shoulders and resulting penalties. 1. Contact with a stationary elbow may be incidental or a common foul. 2. An elbow in movement but not excessive should be an intentional foul. 3. A moving elbow that is excessive can be either an intentional foul or flagrant personal foul. |
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IMO, the NCAA-M (and perhaps the W) have it right. If it is a basketball play with normal movements, it is not to be ruled intentional. |
Get On The Concussion Bandwagon ...
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My high school interpretation, I would, at least, consider a moving elbow to the throat an intentional foul. Also, stupid NFHS (eight year old Point of Emphasis that never made its way into the rulebook, or casebook). |
Again I see no such action to the throat. I see a normal ward off of a post player. Call the foul and it will stop. No need to prove you know some obscure POE that each year gets further and further away from what might have been intended at the time. Again we have had intentional fouls a few times because a POE since that time and nothing was mentioned about what to do specifically with contact above the shoulders. So when they put some language I might consider that fact, but pushing someone off as normal should be nothing but a common or team control foul in this case. It is not that complicated.
Even the NCAA does a better job addressing this kind of post play as well, tell us what is allowed and what is not allowed. But we know the NF would make things so much easier if they did, so they will not address this at all. Peace |
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For sake of argument, if, indeed, it really was an actual elbow to the throat, should we, at least, consider an intentional foul in a high school game? And if it's actually not an elbow to the throat, then my point (illegal contact above the shoulders) is moot. |
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Obscure Eight Year Old Point Of Emphasis ...
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Contact Above The Shoulders ...
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Yes, the current NFHS rulebbok (and casebook) doesn't specifically (excessive contact above the shoulder situations) call for an intentional foul here (unless one deems it excessive contact), but there was a Point of Emphasis in 2012-13 that told us specifically what to do with moving elbows causing contact above the shoulders. Did the NFHS only want these "guidelines" enforced for that one year? I doubt it. How long did they expect these "guidelines" to be enforced? Two years? Five years? More? Probably until there's a new relevant or pertinent rule, or a new relevant or pertinent interpretation, or a new relevant or pertinent Point of Emphasis. Or relevant or pertinent rules (or interpretations) changed to make these "guidelines" null and void. Does the NFHS still want high school officials to enforce these "guidelines"? Not sure, but leaning yes. How are officials with less than eight years of experience supposed to know about these "guidelines"? Experienced trainers (but that's a weak answer, the NFHS dropped the ball on this one). Have any relevant or pertinent rules (or interpretations) changed over the years to make these "guidelines" null and void? I don't believe so. Has the NFHS decided that it no longer wants (or needs) to reduce concussions and decrease excessive contact above the shoulder situations? I doubt it. Does the NCAA do a better job adjudicating excessive contact above the shoulder situations? I've heard yes, but I don't "work" for the NCAA and I like to wait until NCAA interpretations "officially" trickle down to the high school level (as they often do) and want to avoid jumping the gun. Stupid NFHS. |
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