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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1041982)

The only reason that I posted this video was because the IAABO question, "If defender had done same to dribbler, would a foul be ruled?" me.

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1041999)

Taking a rule that applies to the defense and a ball handler/dribbler ... then showing a play where the offense (might) make some contact is just .... well, let's say there are better ways to make a point.

Exactly why I posted this video.

I'm really confused. I thought this was all about the defensive player's actions.

Peace

Goose And Gander ...

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1042003)

I'm really confused. I thought this was all about the defensive player's actions.

IAABO's thought provoking question, "If defender had done same to dribbler, would a foul be ruled?" wants one to consider if what is good for the goose is also good for the gander.

In other words, if an official legally allows, as incidental contact, the two touches that the ball handler applies to the defender, would that same official adjudicate the same two touches, as legal incidental contact, applied to a ball handler by a defender (in a reverse situation)?

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1041999)

Taking a rule that applies to the defense and a ball handler/dribbler then showing a play where the offense ... makes some contact is just ... well, let's say there are better ways to make a point.

Looking forward to a very interesting IAABO play commentary.

IAABO Survey Says …

Disclaimer: For IAABO eyes only. Below is not a NFHS interpretation, it's only an IAABO International interpretation which obviously doesn't mean a hill of beans to most members of this Forum.

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IAABO International Play Commentary: Correct Answer: This is incidental contact.

The dribbler momentarily places a hand on the defender as she dribbles toward the lane. It is not legal to use hands-on an opponent, which in any way inhibits the freedom of movement of the opponent or acts as an aid to a player in starting or stopping. (4-24-5) This contact does not appear to hinder the defensive player, and therefore there is rules support to rule this to be incidental contact. (86% of respondents see this as incidental contact.)

However, officials need to be suspect of this type of contact. Offense-initiated contact is a growing problem in our game. Officials should be reminded that the rules placed upon the players are intended to create a balance of play and provide equal opportunity between the offense and the defense. Officials across the country have made great strides applying rule 10-7-12 when defenders are illegally contacting ball handlers. If ball handlers are contacting defenders and inhibiting their movements, a player control foul should be charged.

Here is the breakdown of the IAABO members that commented on the video: This is incidental contact 86% (including me). This is a player control foul 14%.