Originally Posted by Rich (Post 1042007)

We have a "loss of coaching box" report. So player technicals get no report, but bench technicals do.


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Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 1042024)

These stupid reports are part of the problem. Too many high school officials just don't want to do paperwork and would rather ignore the behavior.

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 1042025)

Many just don't complete the report.

As an assigner I want to know when a coach gets whacked. I'd better hear from the official and not just the school.


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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1041989)

Forty years ago, when I first started out, I gave out a lot of technical fouls. Part of the reason was because I could (hypnotized by this new power that I held). Another reason was that back then my high school assigner also assigned a few mens recreation leagues, games that were mostly assigned to inexperienced officials and we all know about the crap that occurs in those games (especially with an inexperienced official making some rookie bad calls).

As I progressed to subvarsity high school games, I noticed that my subvarsity partners and the varsity officials that I observed seemed to less frequently charge technical fouls.

One reason, and not a good one, was that (here in Connecticut) coaches "vote" officials into the state tournament. I never subscribed to this idea. I guess that these lenient officials didn't realize that while one voting coach may appreciate the "free pass", the opposing voting coach may not, believing that officials should "take care of business".

Another reason was that many veteran varsity officials prided themselves on their game management skills, using their superior communication and "people" skills to manage coaches "on the cusp".

For me, now in my fortieth year, I do pride myself on my game management, communication, and "people" skills, but also know the value of using technical fouls as one of the many tools that I have at my disposal to manage the game.

Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 1042027)

I think part of the problem is that too many officials are under the impression that being a good communicator and issuing technical fouls are mutually exclusive. Because they have been brainwashed by coaches who think that way and announcers on TV.

In my experience college coaches almost always quickly move on after getting a T and go back to coaching for the rest of the game. I cannot say the same about more than one high school coach I have experienced who takes it personally and threatens to "scratch" me.

Again, the NBA philosophy is the way it should be at the lower levels. Especially in HS where we are preached to about how the games are an extension of the classroom.

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 1042028)

I've found that the written warning the NFHS put in place has stopped coaches - and I don't hesitate to go to it.

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 1042028)

I've found that the written warning the NFHS put in place has stopped coaches - and I don't hesitate to go to it.

Working a regional championship this season, the home coach was unhappy we didn't call a travel and did a dance to demonstrate. It was a bit over the top and I immediately hit the whistle and put a warning in the book. No discussion. And that was that.

Once warned, no more warnings, though.

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1042030)

To me this is like the stop sign, it leads to other shit. I stopped using it a year ago. And some things do not need a warning, they need action. Maybe I will change my mind, but I doubt it.

Peace

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 1042028)

I've found that the written warning the NFHS put in place has stopped coaches - and I don't hesitate to go to it.

Originally Posted by Mike Goodwin (Post 1042029)

I've been having good success with the written warning this season. No HC has been assessed a technical foul for any subsequent behavior in the same game where a warning was recorded.

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1042030)

...it leads to other shit. I stopped using it a year ago. And some things do not need a warning, they need action

Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 1042031)

... if you are going to stop the game to let everyone know the coach has been warned, you might as well just stick him and be done with it. I have stopped using the "official warning" in NFHS games, as well, for the most part.

Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 1042031)

I worked a college game this season where my partner did the whole "Head coach warning, put it in the book" thing. The assigner was watching online and was not a fan - he basically said if you are going to stop the game to let everyone know the coach has been warned, you might as well just stick him and be done with it. This is more akin to the NBA philosophy - the first technical foul is their warning that they are going to be ejected if they continue. And I personally agree with that philosophy.

And that is notwithstanding the fact that in NCAA-M you are not supposed to put a warning in the book unless it is a coaching box warning (this coach was not out of the box). The assigner did not even mention that aspect.

I have stopped using the "official warning" in NFHS games, as well, for the most part.

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1042033)

There is only a coach's box warning on the NCAA Men's side. And this year with the Covid restrictions, it has rarely if ever been an issue. Everyone is so far back and off the court, coaches do not feel the need to come onto the court. I did improperly a few years ago use a "bench warning" in a college game but immediately after I did that, the coach got a T from my partner (code creep).

Peace

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1042030)

To me this is like the stop sign, it leads to other shit. I stopped using it a year ago. And some things do not need a warning, they need action. Maybe I will change my mind, but I doubt it.



Peace

Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 1042034)

I am well aware and even stated in my post you quoted that there is only a coaching box warning in NCAA-M. However I can tell you that plenty of assigners and officials do not know this, and some assigners who do know this still want “conduct warnings” documented in the book since it apparently makes their lives easier if the coach calls them after the game. The assigner of the game I referred to in my previous post was not one of them. I do know JD Collins noted within the past couple years in some communication that the rules do not allow for “official warnings” unless it is for the coach being out of the box.