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SC Official Sat Nov 28, 2020 08:59pm

Virginia Tech vs. Villanova clip request
 
With 1:03 left in the 1H a player control foul is changed to a defensive cylinder foul. I have to admit, in a FED game or a college game without a monitor, I can’t imagine I would go with anything other than an F1/intentional on the ball handler.

SC Official Sat Nov 28, 2020 10:09pm

27.7 in the 2H is a great call by the C where the prone defender takes out the offensive player’s legs

SC Official Sat Nov 28, 2020 10:18pm

1.3 left in the 2H. T signals an offensive foul on Nova, after discussion they change the foul to one on VT. Nova makes two FTs to send it into overtime.

Edit: R went over to the commentators and stated that the T just gave the wrong signal and had a defensive foul all along. Bad look, but I think they got it right.

JRutledge Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:57am

Here is the play (Video)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 1040265)
With 1:03 left in the 1H a player control foul is changed to a defensive cylinder foul. I have to admit, in a FED game or a college game without a monitor, I can’t imagine I would go with anything other than an F1/intentional on the ball handler.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/kmNBxwLFvUM" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Peace

JRutledge Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:58am

Quote:

Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 1040266)
27.7 in the 2H is a great call by the C where the prone defender takes out the offensive player’s legs

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/fPUPIH-ISn0" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Peace

JRutledge Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:59am

Quote:

Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 1040267)
1.3 left in the 2H. T signals an offensive foul on Nova, after discussion they change the foul to one on VT. Nova makes two FTs to send it into overtime.

Edit: R went over to the commentators and stated that the T just gave the wrong signal and had a defensive foul all along. Bad look, but I think they got it right.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/T7uiufzBEg0" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Peace

bob jenkins Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:19am

1) PC Foul only

2) Foul on Orange

3) Foul on Orange (Legal screen)

SC Official Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:35am

Rut, thanks. Note that play #1 was changed to a defensive cylinder foul after a monitor review.

thumpferee Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:37am

1) Defensive foul

SC Official Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:39am

I completely understand Lee's initial confusion on play #3. The play looks like a block/charge in which case sending it the other way certainly would have been the correct ruling. Thankfully they end up clearing it up and ruling a defensive foul on VT.

SC Official Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:43am

Play #1, I understand that the rule is written in such a way that they have to go with a cylinder foul at the monitor, but I just don't believe the rule was meant to not penalize offensive players for what is a clear excessive action - the ball handler knew what he was doing.

In my games without a monitor, I have an F1/intentional on the ball handler for contact that is unnecessary and excessive. (And I am not even considering the FED's contact above the shoulders interp that disappeared.)

SNIPERBBB Mon Nov 30, 2020 01:45pm

That would be a hard sell as the old L/new T. As C that could be a possibility,but i think you'd have to lean on the old POE.

Camron Rust Mon Nov 30, 2020 02:18pm

1. PC foul only.
2. Yes, foul on orange.
3. Illegal screen...screener was still moving and leaning into the path of the defender all the way to contact, not getting to the spot and allowing 1-2 steps for the opponent to avoid it.

bob jenkins Mon Nov 30, 2020 02:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 1040281)
Rut, thanks. Note that play #1 was changed to a defensive cylinder foul after a monitor review.

I forgot about that because it doesn't apply in any of the rules sets I work

bob jenkins Mon Nov 30, 2020 02:42pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 1040287)
3. Illegal screen...screener was still moving and leaning into the path of the defender all the way to contact, not getting to the spot and allowing 1-2 steps for the opponent to avoid it.

I think 1 step is sufficient at this speed and I have him giving
that. It's close, though.

Raymond Mon Nov 30, 2020 03:12pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 1040287)
...
3. Illegal screen...screener was still moving and leaning into the path of the defender all the way to contact, not getting to the spot and allowing 1-2 steps for the opponent to avoid it.

That was my initial thought also, but I seemed to be in a small minority with that opinion and I'm not motivated yet for debates...LOL

Camron Rust Mon Nov 30, 2020 08:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1040290)
That was my initial thought also, but I seemed to be a small minority with that opinion and I'm not motivated yet for debates...LOL

Eric Lewis, on one of the Facebook forums, concurs with the illegal screen ruling for continuing to move into the defender.

Raymond Mon Nov 30, 2020 08:13pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 1040299)
Eric Lewis, on one of the Facebook forums, concurs with the illegal screen ruling for continuing to move into the defender.

So we are in good company :)

Based on his posting history, I think he'll agree with my opinion on the blockcharge play from SELA-PFW play I posted in another thread.

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Camron Rust Mon Nov 30, 2020 08:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1040300)
So we are in good company :)

Based on his posting history, I think he'll agree with my opinion on the blockcharge play from SELA-PFW play I posted in another thread.

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I saw that you referenced you being in the minority opinion on that play. I haven't seen what your opinion is on that one.

Raymond Thu Dec 10, 2020 03:03pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1040277)
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/kmNBxwLFvUM" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Peace

This play is addressed by JD Collins in the NCAA Weekly Whistle #2 video. He states that it was correctly changed to a cylinder foul after video review.

I will post that video in my response regarding the screen along the end line.

Raymond Thu Dec 10, 2020 03:05pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 1040287)
...
3. Illegal screen...screener was still moving and leaning into the path of the defender all the way to contact, not getting to the spot and allowing 1-2 steps for the opponent to avoid it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1040290)
That was my initial thought also, but I seemed to be in a small minority with that opinion and I'm not motivated yet for debates...LOL

JD Collins agrees with us. Here is the NCAA Weekly Whistle #2 video discussing two plays from this thread.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Yl5j11rHoLw" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>


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