Assigning Fee (Officials or Schools)?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Valley Man

Interesting that the scrimmage fee includes an option for 3 man, but Connecticut uses 2 man!

The $150.00 scrimmage fee is actually for two hours, or six periods, whichever comes first. When three officials are assigned we rotate in and out each period, with only two officials working each period for a total of four periods for each individual official by the end of the scrimmage.

[JRutledge]

How would you know what someone pays the assignor unless they tell you? I know assignors that are paid a flat fee per school. I know assignors that are paid per game. How would we know what that break down and why would we report it if we have no idea what that is? All I know is my check my be $75, I have no idea what other fees are involved unless on the contract. This is almost never discussed openly here.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Let us get into "Good Trouble."

Just noticed this and remembered that your Mom was active in the civil rights movement. Great way to honor and remember.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

How would you know what someone pays the assignor unless they tell you? I know assignors that are paid a flat fee per school. I know assignors that are paid per game. How would we know what that break down and why would we report it if we have no idea what that is? All I know is my check my be $75, I have no idea what other fees are involved unless on the contract. This is almost never discussed openly here.



Peace

I started noticing it because my 1099 did not match my spreadsheet when it came to income from my High School association.

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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Raymond

I started noticing it because my 1099 did not match my spreadsheet when it came to income from my High School association.

Only speaking for me. We do not get that information. Even the games on Blue Zebra or Arbiter, we get no additional information about payment for the assignor. I am sure there are other places that might not be the case.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Only speaking for me. We do not get that information. Even the games on Blue Zebra or Arbiter, we get no additional information about payment for the assignor. I am sure there are other places that might not be the case.



Peace

We've always known and it's always been advertised that the commissioner gets a percentage of all our games, but I was surprised when I saw my 1099 reflected income I never saw.

I don't agree with the characterization that it's my income and then I'm paying the commissioner. It's in the contract that the schools pay our association a certain dollar figure for officials per game. The percentage that goes to the commissioner is money officials never see.



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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

I started noticing it because my 1099 did not match my spreadsheet when it came to income from my High School association.

In my case the two never match because only about half the schools we cover use Arbiter, and only Arbiter sends most of us 1099's. We have so many officials and our assigner tries to spread it out so that the same officials don't often work at the same site more than once or twice a season that individual schools (or school systems) don't often meet minimum payments (I believe that it may be $600.00) to generate mandatory 1099's for almost all of us.

I have to explain this to my accountant every year.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Raymond

We've always known and it's always been advertised that the commissioner gets a percentage of all our games, but I was surprised when I saw my 1099 reflected income I never saw.

I don't agree with the characterization that it's my income and then I'm paying the commissioner. It's in the contract that the schools pay our association a certain dollar figure for officials per game. The percentage that goes to the commissioner is money officials never see.

I do get that. But we are not in that kind of system. No commissioner assigns a game from any association (we have no such position). We are assigned games by conference or tournament director and if we get a 1099, it might be only the games we get paid online, which in most games are not paid that way yet. All I am saying they do not disclose that information to us. So if I get paid $75 from said school, then that is all I can claim at this point. Not saying that is right, just saying that it is what it is.

Peace

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

OhioHSAA Rules and Regulations prohibit the charging of Officials an assigners fee.

MTD, Sr.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

OhioHSAA Rules and Regulations prohibit the charging of Officials an assigners fee.

Since we all know that assigners wouldn't assign for free, Ohio assigners must be paid by the schools, school systems (towns), conferences (leagues), or the state.

I've known a few recreation level (youth and men), travel, and middle school assigners who have assigned for free, doing it to assign themselves the "choicest" games, or as a supporter of the league or school.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Since we all know that assigners wouldn't assign for free, Ohio assigners must be paid by the schools, school systems (towns), conferences (leagues), or the state.

I've known a few recreation level, travel, or middle school assigners who have assigned for free, doing it to assign themselves the "choicest" games, or as a supporter of the league or school.

Bill:

You are corrrect. Assigners are "paid by the schools, school systems (towns), conferences (leagues)".

The OhioHSAA sanctioned assigner who assigns H.S. baseball and softball in the Toledo area also assigns most of the baseball and softball travel tournaments. The OhioHSAA requires him to use a completely separate Arbiter account for him to assign the baseball and softball travel tournaments and he charges the teams and tournaments not the umpires to pay to maintain his second Arbiter account.

MTD, Sr.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Since we all know that assigners wouldn't assign for free, Ohio assigners must be paid by the schools, school systems (towns), conferences (leagues), or the state.

I've known a few recreation level, travel, or middle school assigners who have assigned for free, doing it to assign themselves the "choicest" games, or as a supporter of the league or school.

Billy:

Your cartoon reminds me of an advertisement that has been on Facebook for the last two weeks by a company in Montana that sells leather goods. It wants to get rid of its entire inventory leather pocket books, laptop cases, shoulder bags, and back packs. These items all normally sell starting at $150 and as much at $350, and the company is giving them way free with the "buyer" only paying shipping and handling: And S&H starts at $85 for the cheapest item with the cost going well over $120 for the more pricey item.

The Mafia could take lessons from this company, LOL!

MTD, Sr.

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Every assigner, college and high school, I've ever received games from collects fees from both officials and the schools.

If the schools don't want to pay for an assigner then they can hire their own officials.

Not in Michigan. MHSAA is clear. Assigners can collect fee from the league or from the schools, or they can charge officials and assigning fee, but NOT both. Schools also pay officials. Assigners are prohibited from getting pay for the officials and passing it on to the officials.

Personally, I charge the schools a flat fee for assigning.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Every assigner, college and high school, I've ever received games from collects fees from both officials and the schools.

If the schools don't want to pay for an assigner then they can hire their own officials.

The only thing we paid for in Illinois was the Arbiter site which was like $7 to use the site. We never paid for any fee for games, at least not that we can account for.

In Indiana, we pay nothing but dues to the association. The Association takes care of all the assigning and the site usages, which used to be Arbiter but now is Eventlink.

Peace

[Valley Man]

Thanks Mark!

Curious if you know the amount the assignors charge the schools/school systems or towns/conferences?