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LRZ Fri Jun 12, 2020 05:52pm

BI on TI
 
Today's Referee.com case play: BI on a TI, 2 points awarded.

On a TI, A1 throws the ball, which bounces off the rim, and while the ball is in the cylinder above the basket, B1 touches the ball and knocks it away. Ruling: BI and 2 points, because BI does not require a try or tap.

Goaltending does require a try or tap, so if B1 touches the ball before it hits the rim, it's not goaltending because the throw is not a try or a tap.

BI on a throw that, if it went in, would be a violation by the throwing team? If I had this happen in a game, I would have gotten it wrong.

Query: If BI occurs on a TI from beyond the 3-point line, do you award 3 points? Or is this throw considered not "from the field by a player behind" his/her arc?

Camron Rust Fri Jun 12, 2020 07:41pm

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Originally Posted by LRZ (Post 1038899)
Today's Referee.com case play: BI on a TI, 2 points awarded.

On a TI, A1 throws the ball, which bounces off the rim, and while the ball is in the cylinder above the basket, B1 touches the ball and knocks it away. Ruling: BI and 2 points, because BI does not require a try or tap.

Goaltending does require a try or tap, so if B1 touches the ball before it hits the rim, it's not goaltending because the throw is not a try or a tap.

BI on a throw that, if it went in, would be a violation by the throwing team? If I had this happen in a game, I would have gotten it wrong.

Query: If BI occurs on a TI from beyond the 3-point line, do you award 3 points? Or is this throw considered not "from the field by a player behind" his/her arc?

OOB is not behind the 3-point line. It is OOB.

crosscountry55 Sat Jun 13, 2020 07:37am

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Originally Posted by LRZ (Post 1038899)
BI on a throw that, if it went in, would be a violation by the throwing team? If I had this happen in a game, I would have gotten it wrong.

Correct me if Iím wrong, but the BI causes the ball to become dead immediately, so whether the ball then goes in or not is immaterial. Award 2 points if violation by defense, then resume play with a TI (spot or anywhere along the EL dependent).

In 11 years, only got close to this once, on a botched alley-oop, of course.


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LRZ Sat Jun 13, 2020 09:59am

crosscountry55: What I meant was if there had been no BI and the TI went in, that would be a TI violation.

It seems incongruous to award points on a TI-BI where the TI itself could not result in a basket, but Referee.com says yes.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:42am

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Originally Posted by LRZ (Post 1038902)
crosscountry55: What I meant was if there had been no BI and the TI went in, that would be a TI violation.

It seems incongruous to award points on a TI-BI where the TI itself could not result in a basket, but Referee.com says yes.

I do not have access to my Casebook but there is at least one NFHS Casebook Play and at least one NCAA Men's and Women's Casebook Play/Approved Ruling addressing this Play. It is BI, per rule, because the Ball is Live during a Throw-in and BI only pertains to a Live Ball that is in the Cylinder and how the Ball came to be in the Cylinder has no bearing on the Play.

MTD, Sr.

Camron Rust Sat Jun 13, 2020 12:16pm

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Originally Posted by LRZ (Post 1038902)
crosscountry55: What I meant was if there had been no BI and the TI went in, that would be a TI violation.

It seems incongruous to award points on a TI-BI where the TI itself could not result in a basket, but Referee.com says yes.

It is logical because, without it, the throwing team could "shoot the ball" and then slightly touch the ball just before it goes in to end the throwin and make it a legal basket, being more or indefensible. Having BI prevents that. To keep it simple, the same rule applies the defense.


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