NCAA Shot Clock Violation Question
 

Is there a new rule whereby if the shot clock expires while a try that does not touch the rim is in flight, and the defense collects the airball, there is no whistle for a shot clock violation?

Saw this during Iowa @ Indiana, B1G Network, 2/13, 2nd Half at 9:35.


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No.

Peace

Per your description, there should have been a whistle for a violation.

NCAA Shot Clock Violation Question
 

Well that’s interesting because I saw them not blow one again on the other end about five clock minutes later.

I guess they must have pregamed this.


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As IAABO would say, “Let’s go to the video tape!”

The announcers even said something like, “Indiana picks it up so we’ll just go the other way.” They said it almost matter-of-factly which is why I thought maybe there had been a recent rule change I was unaware of.


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I have not seen the play in question. I have no idea what took place either way. But there is not rule change with the shot clock other than going to 20 seconds when the offense rebounds the ball in the FC or 30 seconds if recovered in the BC.

Peace

Let's Go To The Videotape ...
 

They stole this from Warner Wolf, a local news sports anchor in Washington, D.C. and New York City.

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I just saw the video. I can post this. But it seems like you can make a case that the defender has the ball secure, if that is the case then you would not call a violation or stop play. This to me is either way decision. If Iowa was near the ball or was contesting the possession of the ball, then I think you have to call a violation.

Peace

That seemed to be the opinion of the announcers, too. But I would like to have a debate about this with the video. I don’t remember this being “bang bang.” The horn sounded mid-flight, then the try missed the rim. Plenty of time to process and then whistle the violation. I think this was a deliberate bending of the rule by the crew. Maybe this is something the assignor wants done in the Big Ten?

There’s no doubt a call here would have been a game interruptor. I’m just wondering if by bending the rules it’s not the top of a slippery slope?


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I've had a few of these situations in my college games.

Horn sounds while the ball is in flight, doesn't get iron, defense secures rebound, and no one blows except me.

I had to look up the rule once to make sure I wasn't crazy. One time I asked my partners in the dressing room, "That ball didn't hit the rim, right?"

"No."
"So it's a shot clock violation."
"Yes, technically."

I guess there are some MSU officials out there who won't blow this play dead and maybe some assigners want that, but any crew I am on we will have a whistle for a shot clock violation. It's not a game interrupter - what if you don't blow and the player who got the rebound has the ball snatched away from him before he can fully "secure" the ball?

I have not had this be an issue more often than not though.

Or maybe they just had a brain fart and/or thought it hit the rim.

Twice in one half? It happened again a few minutes later. On the other end. Hey, at least they were consistent!


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I'd like to see that be a rule. If the defense gains control during a shot clock violation, then play on. Get rid of the game disruption.

Ex. Offense shoots, shot clock signals, airball shot is caught by defense. = play on.

I saw a game this week with time running out in the game where the winning team chose, instead of not shooting and letting the shot clock expire, to toss the ball to the other team. The other team was holding the ball for 1-2 seconds before the shot clock expired. They still blew the whistle and gave them the ball on a throwin. The other team already had the ball. Why not let that one go!?@??

That should not have been a whistle. Once B gets the ball the shot lock should reset

Play similar to OP (as described) happens with 13.x to go in Loyola - Northern IA game. Officials correctly called the violation, then went to the monitor to put 14.6 on the clock.

Here is the play (Video)
 

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Peace

Missed call.

Get Smart ...
 

Query: when does the violation occur? Is at the expiration of the shot clock? Or, if a shot is in the air, is it when it is apparent the ball will not hit the rim?

By rule we can put the game clock at the exact time the shot clock expired.

Possession starts at 44.6, game clock at 14.6 if violation is whistled.

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In NCAAW, it's the time the whistle blows. Theer's some case play on this -- I think back in either the violations section or in the replay section.

In this NCAAM game, replays showed that the time as the ball passed below the level of the rim was 14.6

The only way that change would affect strategy is that sometimes that team would prefer a throw-in with the clock stopped. And of course sometimes they'd prefer not.

For sure, good point. I was trying to think of other strategic reasons too. I can see a defense getting the ball and immediately being trapped by the new "defense". In that case, the violation would have benefited the new offense and penalized the shooting team. However, I prefer that there is no game disruption over those other rare situations. Lesser of two evils I guess, plus my preferences are also irrelevant. ;)

So, just saw another case of this. With 10:38 to go in the Ohio State/Iowa game, there is an Ohio State shot attempt that is deflected high in the air. An Iowa player jumps, secures control of the ball in the air and lands. The shot clock horn sounds right about when the Iowa player touches the floor. Play continued for a split second and then Wymer blew his whistle indicating a shot clock violation. Here is a case where it would be nice, even if a violation, to ignore it. Also, not sure why Wymer called it a hair late.

Video would be nice but only if it is easy.

By rule, that play should not have been stopped as the Iowa player secured control of the ball prior to the shot clock horn sounding.

Exactly! It was very strange to see someone of that caliber (Wymer) make that call. And he did it as if he "caught" something by rule and was ensuring doing things the correct way.

I think from his angle he probably felt there was a chance of the ball not being secured. But the Iowa player clearly had possession.

Peace

Here the play (Video)
 

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Peace

OMFG, a national championship official potentially made a mistake in judgment!!

Yawn.

It must be almost March.

Lol, classic SC Official. Potentially? Um, no, it was a mistake. You also overlooked the mistake of ball watching outside his PCA, oh, and of also calling something extremely trivial directly in front of his partner.

The comeback should be worth your time.:rolleyes: