Notre Dame/Florida State video request
At 2:31 in the second half there is a travel and a T called on Notre Dame. This prompted Brey to complain about the officiating in the postgame and call out the official by name.
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...For which his school was subsequently fined $20K, and I’m sure it’s in his contract that this will come out of his pocket. To his credit, he has already apologized and accepted responsibility.
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The coach was right about it not being a travel.
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Another case of calling something because it looks awkward, but not because one observed clear illegal action.
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We all miss calls. My problem with this missed call is that the Center official could see the Lead is on the play.
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I have no problem with C getting this (assuming it had been a travel, of course). Unless we talk with L, we won't know whether he saw it and judged it correctly, or didn't see it so didn't call it. |
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In any case the Lead has a couple bodies passing between him and the player with the ball which can obscure his vision the feet/ball/etc. In your first post you said the Center could see Lead was on the play. In transition there's no way any official should be looking at their partner to see where their eyes are. There's too much going on. In a half court set you generally get a feel for what your partners can and can't see but in transition -- all bets are off. |
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We can either continue to do the same things or we can strive to get better by looking at plays where we (officials) make mistakes and figure out how or why it should have been handled differently. I have also learned from my own personal experiences not to call travels when I don't see the ball thru the entire sequence. There is a point where the ball handler's back is completely turned to the Center official, therefore he would have no idea if there was a bobble or not during those two steps. Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk |
To me this wasn't even a "because it looked funny" travel. It didn't even enter my mind when I watched the play for the first time (I didn't know a travel was the call that preceded the T).
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I can’t tell you how refreshing it is to hear that. I’ve had way too many pregames this year where my R has uttered the stale and antiquated, “Tonight we’re going to referee our primaries...stay in your primary...unless it’s an elephant, blah blah blah.” These are quality varsity games and our conversations are at the 101 level instead of the 401 level. And I know what some of you are thinking....”well, Cross, as the U2 you have to step in and take charge of the pregame...” Hey I’m with ya, but around here usurping some of our grizzly veterans is about as taboo as a loud fart in church on Christmas morning. So after a while you just have to live with the fact that elements of your association are about ten years behind the times. It’s frustrating. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Flexible Pregames ...
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Afterward I explained to her that not all pregames are the same. The length and breadth of my pregame depends on the experience of my partner, my experience with my partner, how early or late in the season it is, and how much time we have for a pregame. |
Pregames are a waste of time. People talk, listen, shake their heads in agreement, and then go out on the court and referee the same way they always do. My pregame is very simple. Don't **** up, and if you do don't expect me to bail you out. Again, at the end of the day, guys just fall back into their old habits anyway.
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I can tell you when you work with people you never met or have no idea what they do, a pregame helps me set some expectations or understand my partners. If we talk about nothing then how do we handle things. Sometimes I just want to know my partner's attitude about uniforms so when we start the game we know how that is going to be handled or why it will be handled in a certain way. Peace |
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Boundary responsibilities old school versus new school, attitude about out-of-bounds help, liberal or conservative primary coverage areas, by the book or otherwise put the ball in play where it goes out of bounds or violation, by the book or otherwise switches, handling double whistles and preliminary signals, communication by nonadministering official not ready on throwins, who identifies free throw shooter, handling less than a minute and last second shot. I wish that everybody officiated the same exact consistent way, but that's not the case here in my little corner of Connecticut. "If wishes were horses, beggars would ride." (Scottish proverb) |
Fashion Pregame ...
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For your information, this is my second year working middle school games. As the referee, I concentrate on undershirts, headbands, and wristbands, ignoring arm sleeves and leg sleeves. I will try to get girls to comply with the undershirt requirement, but will listen to coaches who sincerely complain that their young adolescent girls are bashful about wearing sleeveless jerseys, which in many cases are nothing more than sleeveless thin fabric reversible practice pinnies. If it's a choice of several girls not playing that afternoon or allowing them to play, I will often side with allowing them to play. Boys don't get the same allowance. I know that this isn't by the book, but it's certainly a little better than the Wild Wild West approach of many of my middle school official colleagues. "But I've worn this headband all season." |
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Pre-games are great to get your mind on basketball and thinking about plays and having the correct mindset. Also when you working with a guys you rarely work with, which happens in college basketball a lot, it helps ensure you're on the same page mechanically. Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk |
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(*) And I would assume based on the score and delta from where they would have been without this call effectively ended the game, though I didn't see it and have no interest in going to check. |
I abso-f******-lutely hate the stupid "don't compound a missed call with a technical foul" nonsense.
Sorry, but coaches and players don't get to do whatever they want just because they may have a legitimate beef. |
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So even if an official gets a judgement call wrong, the coach is probably not allowed to go to the media and blast that official by name. Have you also considered that there are protocols in place for coaches to follow when they want to address an officiating issue? Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk |
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I’m assuming he has also failed to consider (or doesn’t know) that NCAA officials are evaluated on all games at every level. The fact that actions have consequences cuts both ways. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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I agree. But even if we do think we got the play wrong (we’re not robots, after all), a certain level of decorum must be maintained. I’ll give a coach or player a little extra rope in that scenario, but when the toddler temper tantrum or a magic word or two are unleashed, I have to address it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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I have had many plays that I thought I got right in real time only to watch the film and realize I was incorrect. Some of those decisions preceded a well-deserved technical foul, but that doesn't mean I "compounded" my mistake that I didn't even know I made at the time. |
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(*) Or an enforced dishonesty policy as the case may be. |
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If the technical that follows is obvious, then that's one thing. If it's borderline and you weren't sure that's another. (In another sport, I've thrown a coach where I was quite sure I was wrong but couldn't fix it. That definitely compounded my mistake but throwing him wasn't a mistake as he took that choice out of my hands.) |
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I guess you're also in favor of officials publicly commenting about coaches and institutions by name? Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk |
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To take an example, an open letter about the behavior of Coach Knight would have it's merits. Letting officials answer questions about what happened when a coach threw a chair across the court also might. [And for that matter, I feel like I've read an interview with the referees who were there at some point (but perhaps not, or perhaps they waited until they were retired to speak on the matter.)] But on the flip side it would make it harder for Indiana fans to believe that they were being neutrally officiated with Coach Knight there. Or perhaps, and this is what I was trying to get at, that's not the flip side but actually a pro to greater transparency. |
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Please excuse me while I clean up my drink I spit out from laughing. |
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