Video Request: Mechanics of Calling a Screen Near the Division Line
 

Might be hard to find, obscure network. Dayton @ Richmond, 1/25, NBC Sports Washington, 4:29 2nd.

Moving backcourt to frontcourt, D3 sets a screen in the backcourt near the center circle. R22, closely guarding the dribbler D0, doesn’t see it and slams into D3 at speed. T, who had been watching the transition dribble, appears to see the screen late, observes the massive collision, has to put air in the whistle for something like that of course, and calls an illegal screen on D3. But the screen was well set 3-4 steps before contact.

CI for sure, but here’s my discussion request. C was ahead of the play but looking over his shoulder he saw it develop. He definitely had an opinion on the play, but he didn’t go talk to T to give him any info. He flinched, almost as if he considered it. But the CI stood.

D head coach had a beef and ended up drinking some T for it.

Thought this would be a good “help?” play for discussion.


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From your description it is unclear if the C had a whistle. For the C to have an opinion on the play he needs to have a whistle. If he didn't blow there nothing he should be doing nothing other than assuming his new position for the throw-in.

I'm going to pull up the game on Synergy when it is available. If there was a screen developing near the division line, the Center needs to stop and officiate the match-up. He would be the primary on a double whistle, but with no whistle we don't go to our partners giving our opinions on what should be called.

Fair enough. He didn’t have a whistle. He probably wishes he had in retrospect, but he didn’t. T’s whistle was almost immediate, probably because of both his surprise and the force of the collision. So C didn’t get much of a chance to process the play. But I’ll bet he knew the call was wrong a split second later. Half the offense and the whole bench sure did. [emoji6]

You know in football information causes flags to get picked up once in a while. I sometimes wish that mentality were more prevalent in basketball (out of bounds calls notwithstanding).


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Here you go...
 

Perhaps he didn't have a whistle because there was no foul. Hard to uncall a partner's foul call or prevent them from calling one.

With the benefit of hindsight, what’s your opinion? Push on R22 or incident contact?


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Definitely not a foul, either offensively or defensively. Center saw the screen developing, so I wish he would have stayed and officiated the play instead of drifting away. Maybe if the Trail sees the Center is there on the play he doesn't put a whistle on it.

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I don't even need hindsight. First time I saw the play run through, my immediate thought was, that's not a foul.

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This is why I hate when people training new officials say things like, “When a player goes down like that, there has to be a whistle.”


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Incidental contact....on first viewing, not hindsight. The screen was legal by a long shot. The defender, not seeing it, ran into it and not through it....the screen did its job, play on.

I watched the game live on TV. I thought it was a play-on despite the hard contact involved. The screener gave the defender enough time and space to avoid the contract.

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Peace

Do you have a call if the screener goes down rather than the screen....(ee?) (ed?)?

Maybe, and maybe not. See 4-4-7

So let's discuss this: Assume the Trail Official, seeing the clear-out, narrows his angle of vision too much on the dribbler/defender that he doesn't see the legality of the screen, if at all. The resulting collision catches him off guard and he instantly blows the whistle and assumes/guesses the screen was illegal and makes the call. I would like to know from members, if you were in that situation and realizing you may have kicked that call, would instead confer with the Center and ask how he saw it? And, upon confirmation with the C that the screen was legal, resort to an IW and resume play with a throw in for the team that had the ball. Or, just stay and live with your call.

With how competitive it is to move up in college I wonder if he lets his partner eat it so he gets a black eye.

I am popping my whistle and tell him the screen was legal thats why I passed on the contact and while I watch the players you can decide if you want to go IW and tell the coaches we kicked it. In so many sports we can pick up the flag. We fail to use IW call to help us avoid a big mistake. And I hate it.

Easier said than done. While I agree with your sentiment, to blaze a trail here could cost assignments. And that’s the real issue. Transformation of our mindset on the use of IW to correct obvious mistakes would need to come from the NBA and/or NCAA coordinator levels, and to date we really haven’t seen any movement in that direction.



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Your comment about letting him eat a bad call is way off base. Working the Atlantic 10 is near the top of the food chain. I live in the hometown of the ACC Alliance supervisor, the last ways to get ahead with him are by being a bad partner or reveling in the misfortunes/mistakes of others.

We do not get the blow our whistles after the fact and tell our partner his judgment was wrong on a foul call except for plays involving the restricted area. If the Center official wants to have an opinion about the screen he has to stay and officiate it instead of drifting down court and leaving his partner to officiate the ball and the screen by himself. Like I posted earlier, maybe the Trail doesn't blow his whistle if he sees that the Center is there to officiate the screen.

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What. The. Hell.

So let me get this straight in my mind. You think partner made a bad call. You are going to blow your whistle and walk over to partner and tell partner it was a bad call. Then expect you partner to somehow "fix" said bad call by claiming an IW???

That will be an interesting locker room post game...

I do not see any problem with the court coverage by the T and C and also this is the T's call 100% of the time. We can watch the tape and discuss whether or not the T made the correct call and I am sure that it will be discussed in the evaluation that he receives: With the questions that he will be asked is where was he looking and what did he see?

It was not a foul but a legal screen. That said, let he who has never screwed the pooch cast the first stone.

Let me everyone with two stories:

#1) I was in attendance at a men's MAC game about 20 years ago. I personally knew the MAC evaluator, who was sitting court side, I personally knew the MAC Supervisor who was sitting court side, and was sitting next to the past MAC Supervisor who was there to evaluate 2 of the 3 officials, as to whether they were to receive an invitation to the Big 10 try out camp. The game started and almost 90 seconds, which 3 team possessions, was played before all 3 officials realized that a major mistake had been made with the Shot Clock. There was a happy ending eventually, all 3 officials made it to the Big 10.

#2) Daryl H. Long, a long time member of this forum, and I were officiating a women's jr. college game at Owens Community College. OCC, at the time, played its men's and women's basketball games on a court at one end of a large multipurpose building with bleachers on only one side of the court. A folding chair was placed at the Division Line extended on the Side Line opposite the Table (and bleachers) about 10 feet off the Side Line. An extra game ball was placed on this chair in case an errant ball would go flying down to the other end of the building. We would grab the ball on the chair and resume the game while some one would retrieve the ball and place it on the chair. Sure enough about 90 seconds into the game the ball goes flying down to the other end and we grab the ball on the chair. We played the next 15 minutes or so with the ball on the chair before one of the players realized that we were playing with a men's ball. :eek: We screwed up!

MTD, Sr.